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It is in everything, even our brains. You thought covid was bad on your cognitive abilities, plastic is making it worse day by day.
I wonder if it's the reason that everyone seems to have lost their fucking minds these days.
Plastic is such a fucking disease. There are so few items you can buy in a supermarket that aren't somehow covered in it. I get it, it's super convenient. Which is why as long as it's legal, the situation won't change.
I think heavy taxes on plastic could change the situation; if plastic packaging isn't economically viable, alternatives will be used.
This would be totally unpopular I'm sure, so it will probably won't come before climate change killed us.
I was so happy that a lot of places were banning plastic during the pandemic. The large trend only lasted a year in my country, but at least some businesses have dropped plastic bags altogether. Small wins?
I hate it so much. I can’t buy shit without plastic.
They should just take a deposit for reusable ceramic, glass, or metal containers. If you want to keep it, keep it; if it is fine, you just return it and get your deposit. They can be sanitized.
In bakeries, deli, and butcher sections in supermarkets, everything is plastic.
I miss butchers using butcher paper. It was perfectly good.
Everything is wrapped in plastic now when it wasn't like it 30 years ago. I think the side-effects of microplastics are going to affect every child alive today for life.
Was waiting for this one!
I'll continue to use glass bottles with metal caps then. But I've never seen a glass bottle with a plastic cap
How do you think the gaskets are made?
This is going to turn out to be the lead of our time isn’t it?
This is just one of several "leads of our time".
PFAS is another.
Overuse of neonicotinoid pesticides is another.
Lead might also be the lead of our time again, if the reports about lead being in disposable vape pens are true.
Ohh, remember popcorn lung from the vitamin E that was being added? These vapes are something. I wonder what they'll find out next!
Glyphosate too. Increasingly linked to Parkinsons, cancer, and endocrine disorders among other things.
One of the studies included in the new review found 1 liter of water — the equivalent of two standard-size bottled waters bought at the store — contained an average of 240,000 plastic particles from seven types of plastics, of which 90% were identified as nanoplastics and the rest were microplastics.
Sounds like plastic bottle manufacturers aren't rinsing their product before the get shipped and filled.
Plastic bottles are usually made from preforms delivered from the plastic bottle manufacturer. The rinsing would ideally be when the bottle is formed from a preform at the soda plant, before the bottle is filled. Some do this (sometimes with harsh chemicals), but most don’t as they consider the preform as sufficiently clean enough to fill.
Not only this, but the machines used to process food shed plastic too. Which I think people are even less happy to hear, because this means simply buying food in glass and paper containers doesn't make much difference.
Analysis of microplastics in commercial vegetable edible oils from Italy and Spain
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0308814624002152
It’s pretty much inescapable and we need government regulation. I’m surprised the EU hasn’t led the way here yet, but they probably will be among the first.
No shit, hot food sheds plastic from its container.
It's more than just take-out packaging.
Ripping the plastic wrap from the meat or prepackaged fruit and veggies you purchased at the grocery store may contaminate your food with micro- and nanoplastics, according to new research.
Plastic contamination may also occur when you’re unwrapping deli meat and cheese, steeping a tea bag in hot water, or opening cartons of milk or orange juice. Glass bottles and jars with a plastic-coated metal closure may also shed microscopic bits of plastic, the study found.
We really need to establish the toxicity of this stuff because I can’t imagine abolishing plastic in the food pipeline anytime soon. It’s too embedded. However we can hopefully get rid of the most contaminating sources.
Just wanna pop in real quick and point out we didn't have plastic in the food production pipline at all for about 9,900 years out of the last 10,000-ish.
We absolutely could eliminate plastic if we had the will. Literally 99% of our history or more has been without plastic.
9,900 of the last 10,000 years we haven’t been able to produce enough food for everyone. Industrialization changed that. I think we still prefer some plastic contamination over droves of people starving to death. But it’s gonna be hard to have both, in the short term at least.
Citation needed. Lots of Romans ate fast food. Y'all just trying to find every excuse to not change anything.
I don't think anyone is saying that we can't get rid of it, but it's not realistic to think that industrialized societies are going to give it up without alternatives that have little/no drawback, and that's going to take a lot of time and effort to develop. I'm not sure I see that sort of thing being properly incentivized unless we have conclusive data on plastic toxicity.
It is killing us. The evidene is mounting. Keep advocating for the status quo if you like, but it is insane to me.
I did not at any point advocate for the status quo or claim that there isn't mounting evidence that microplastics are toxic. Please don't mischaracterize my statement.
You claimed that unless there are alternatives with no drawbacks that we are doomed to this in industrialized societies.
I disagree.
When the drawback of plastic is that it is toxic to our health, it seems like all sorts of things we used to use should be back on the table, just for starters, drawbacks and all.
My claim is that alternatives with minimal drawbacks are going to be required in industrialized societies, yes, because plastic is very deeply ingrained in our industry, and has been critical to many of the advances that we've had in the last few decades (especially medicine and healthcare).
If we're talking about just the food supply chains, that's a little bit different because people are more willing to suffer inconvenience if the perceived health risk is large enough (because health depends on our diets). The problem is that the perceived risk, for the vast majority of people, is fairly small. Plastic ingestion poses chronic issues, not acute ones (mostly). This means that we've already addressed most of the more acute toxicity concerns, and the chronic concerns are going to require more conclusive data to persuade people to care now and not dismiss it by saying "I'll worry about that later, we have more important problems now".
That said, I never said we were "doomed". In fact I think that we're going to develop better and safer technologies, and plastic and how it reacts with living organisms will be better understood. But, I think that's going to take some time. In the mean time, I think we're going to start to go back to older materials (particularly in the food supply chains) where the additional cost is manageable. Plastic isn't going to go away completely though. Not now, not ever. The best we can do is make it safer, and mandate other materials where it's most important.