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And I thought Americans were carbrained, holy shit.

(To be fair, he's not wrong in that this is intended to keep the auto companies and the government nice and fat -- but the obvious response to this is to agitate for better public transit, not railing against an environmentally sound policy.)

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Isn't it true that once a car is built, it's basically better for the environment to drive it until its wheels fall off instead of scrapping it to buy any new one (even electric) though ? He's right that a lot of the time these schemes are thinly veiled auto industry handouts to stimulate the economy, instead of actual environmental regulations.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Every 35000 km or 21000 miles a gasoline car going on average 20km/l or 47mpg why H have produced the same amount of CO2 that it takes to make an electric car.

So if over the lifetime of the car you go less than 35000km you shouldn't be changing it with an electric. Otherwise please do 😁

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

How long is that offset including charging? I know that EVs are still significant better, but it's not like the moment an EV rolls out that it's carbon emissions stop.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

The thing with EVs is that they get cleaner over time as cheap solar and batteries become a bigger part of the grid and old coal plants age out.

If you buy a diesel today, it'll still be burning diesel in 2045.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

depends where you are i guess. if you're in a country with a high proportion of the grid being powered by renewables or nuclear then the emissions do become negligable as soon as it's delivered.

France is 70% nuclear plus renewables etc

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Bro your title is damn misleading.

Indian man upset that the government is forcing him to buy a new car

Your title makes the man sound like he's complaining about his wife

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

That's a fair point actually. I'll change it

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

well, it is car traffic in India, maybe in Dheli. can get quite crazy so I am not sure you are expecting them to walk there? but to be fair, not clear from the article.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I am indeed expecting them to walk. People (me included) walk longer distances in Indian traffic in far worse conditions, a kilometer is quite literally child's play

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Haven't there been multiple cases of women getting gang raped on indian public transport?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Public transit is not necessary for a 1km distance.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I mean, I'm pretty sure I've heard of recent cases where women have been gang raped just walking down the street as well, but my comment was more referring to ops comment that they should be agitating for better public transport. I agree with the sentiment, but there might be a safety factor pushing the lady to drive. That's possibly true for walking too. Walking may also not be feasible due to lack of walking infrastructure or mobility issues. My mother in law probably couldn't walk a kilometre, she's not obese and is mostly mobile, but she's just had multiple knee replacements and walking that distance isn't possible.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

Right, but also there's the whole gang rape thing.... Imma go ahead and say people should do what makes them feel safe from gang rape.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It's prob necessary to do something, even new ICE vehicles & new fuels are not the cleanest in India, but old ones prob really need to go, especially in a country with such pollution problems.

How to achieve that & why not boost public (city) transport instead, etc & why they decided to go this way can def be questioned - but that's in all nations & at the end something still gets done.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (11 children)

What's this about? Government-mandated to reduce emissions? Switching to electric, or just "better" ICE cars?

AFAIK pollution is a serious problem in India's cities - but people like this guy are going to defend their "personal freedoms" tooth and nail, and fuck the rest.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

Whoa! Cool it.

The mandate isn't from "government". Apparently, the government failed to do much about pollution, so a regulatory body was set up by the courts, which body did some good things (ban diesels) but also some hamhanded things like judge only based on technology age rather than the odometer. Throwing away a ton of steel and manufacturing that has had minimal utilization isn't going to help any.

You should've dissed the people who made scrapping the dedicated bus lane an election issue some years ago. I guess that never made it to the newspapers, and hence wasn't discussed online either.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Government-mandated to reduce emissions?

On the surface, yes. In reality they're just offloading environmental responsibility on to citizens (and making them buy "better" ICE cars so the auto industry gets the profits) instead of improving and expanding public transit to make it easier to get around without a car.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

To be fair, buses don't solve last-mile situations like this one, unless you expect the route to become walkable by reduction in car numbers. Even then, I wouldn't begrudge the busy housewife avoiding a long walk with a kid in tow.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

Depends on the bus system. Some primarily operate within a square mile, and therefore primarily solve the last mile situation. They don't solve the first/last 50m probably that isn't really a problem anyways.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

cash for clunkers without the cash

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Sadly 1km is not the dumbest distant i have seen

Back when I walked my kids to school a parent who shared a fence with the school would drive them around a piece of grass the the front of the school and drop them of. The path through the grass was along side their side garden wall and shorter than the road they drove.

Of course it was a huge 4x4 to boot

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

I used to walk 500m round trip to nearby restaurant for lunch, everyone i met will comment on how far that is. Of course, i take it to heart and now drive my 4x4 there.

Nah just kidding, i now ride a bike, often 3.5km round trip for lunch.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I used to live next to some folk who would drive 300 metres to the gym

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah, that one always gets me: and then they run 5 miles on a treadmill.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (6 children)

I always thought the equipment should all be hooked up to some sort of generator somehow so that the place could turn all that energy being spent exercising into electricity for the lights etc. There could also be pancakes 🥞

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

People will go very far to show others their status

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (5 children)

On the streets of New Delhi this will probably take just as long as walking. Need the AC though.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Longer. It takes about 12 minutes to walk 1km. A car in Delhi traffic will take about 20 minutes to cover that during the morning rush hour

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