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I will add my voice to the chorus, real life isn't a cartoon where good people are morally, ethically and physically in the right. Real people and real situations have layers, and are rooted in fundamentally human wants, needs and limitations.
I get that if you're a brand, and living only in a symbolic sense, you might want to distance yourself from symbols that don't align. But us humans, actually having experienced reality, should know that some or even most actions aren't perfectly informed, selflessly good from every perspective, for all of time.
And frankly, I think wanting and needing that unambiguity is dangerous as you're dehumanising people and disempowering yourself from reflecting upon behavior and setting proper boundaries. That, and/or a sign of considerable stress (compare with black & white thinking or catastrophic thinking).
People can be flawed and make awesome contributions. The theory of gravity is good, useful, and a significant discovery forming the basis of much of industrial and modern society, even though it was made possible only by colonialism and systematic oppression.
Socrates/Plato made astounding work contributing to the development of every field of knowledge, despite being weirdo homeless hermits before forming a cult.
Be inspired by the greatness in people, not the flaws.
Elon Musk is literally only successful because he started out with tons of money. His vision is putting the letter X in every company he's involved in. He's not only personally a piece of shit, he also actively tries to stop transit projects from happening to potentially bolster his sales a tiny bit. I'm thinking of hyperloop which was vaporware from day 1 explicitly designed to halt California HSR.
Not only that but he is the SOLE reason twitter is a Nazi shithole now. He is an actual Nazi sympathizer and frequently boosts their messages on his massive platform.
The real visionaries of this world are the political activists that are pushing for change.
Agreed
Maybe the better approach is that we as audiences should understand that no real person is a saint and that whether or not it leaves a bad taste in our mouths, otherwise morally reprehensible people can still be responsible for profound achievements and progress.
Somebody else brought up Freud already, who many would call a deeply unethical man and whose conclusions are often debunked or thought better of in the modern era... Yet the impact of Freud, despite these shortcomings, remains basically inarguable.
I think the problem is that in the past 20 or so years we've started to read acknowledgement in media as endorsement by media, but those are two very separate things.
I think the problem is that in the past 20 or so years we’ve started to read acknowledgement in media as endorsement by media, but those are two very separate things.
Bingo. It's infuriating listening to people think they're smart, that can't seem to grasp that characters aren't always there to be lionized. People saying something like "Homelander is an awesome character" gets interpreted by morons as endorsement, and often these same people complain the creators let villains have a sort of charm or charisma (not that Homelander has either, that's a weird one, the actor is fascinating to watch and I don't even know what you call that)
The thing is, when you look at Musk, he personally does not have any real accomplishments. He’s a wealthy man (inherited wealth that was made by exploiting black workers in South Africa’s emerald mines) who happened to fund existing projects that happened to have some semblance of success; in other words: any rich guy could have done the same thing. Worse yet, he is also a well-known man-child who supports wild conspiracy theories that are only popular with an unpopular segment of the population. Not to mention him being a self-proclaimed free speech absolutist who has a penchant for suppression g free speech that does not align with his beliefs.
I suspect if social media has been what it is now when Edison or Jobs were alive, they might have self-immolated just as badly as Musk has. Both of them were by all accounts terrible people who history paints as visionaries because the force of their personalities gave them the weight of the innovations which occurred under their watch. Taking credit for the achievements of your underlings and business partners is a long tradition across many industries.
People in the future got it wrong, that's all. It happens more often than most of us want to admit.
I don't think he inherited any emerald money. His father owned the mine is still alive and disowned him in like 1997
I fully agree with all of this and will add that he's also obviously a nazi or at least nazi-sympathizer as well.
I definitely wasn't speaking about Elon fucking Musk here because he has never been directly responsible for anything of value in the world, far as I can tell.
But still abstractly my point stands, assuming we're identifying people with actual contributions to society rather than just the money to buy the contributions of others.