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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago

The press I saw from nato meet where really disturbing as in they where blatantly sucking up on him.. so maybe there was something known already. Also the Iran stunt is incredible, what is happening?

[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Does the bill include all military installation closures and those that are on European territories? For example Greenland. If MAGA wants out, then GTFO and I do not want hear any crying afterwards because that will give the Europeans every excuse not purchase US made weapons. I'm certain US MIC lobbyists will weasel their way in to tear apart the bill.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Honestly, NATO might be better off without them

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Why do you think that? How would losing half the military assets and technology would benefit NATO?

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 day ago (14 children)

The US is great at spending money in the military, but it absolutely sucks at actual war.

Look how they wasted trillions in Afghanistan to surrender to the Taliban.

the US military exists solely to funnel tax payer money to military shareholders.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That was to funnel money, steal gold, and oil.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'll grant you it's a big racket, it's corrupt, it's inefficient, but I don't think it's a skill issue.

https://youtu.be/d5v6hlRyeHE

I wouldn't consider failing to win the hearts and minds of the local populace using violence a military failure rather than a policy failure.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Ukraine showed that modern warfare is a different game than it used to.

it's s resource war, cheap drones can cause lots of damage, and it is far more costly to fight them. long range rockets, v defense systems...

and given that US have painfully expensive toys, they won't be able to hold of again a cheap enemy.

yhea, Maybe the F22 can outmanoeuvre another airplane in a dogfight, but who tf needs a dogfight? the enemy can just launch a volley of self guided missiles that costs 100x to intercept.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Isn't this the same psycho whose reaction to Minnesota politicians being assassinated was conspiracy theories?

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[–] [email protected] 100 points 2 days ago (2 children)

As directed by Vladamir Putin.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Great!! Fuck right off USA!!! Without you idiotic dipshits in NATO the rest of the aligned countries don’t have to listen to your moronic whining to spend $ on US defense weaponry/planes etc. You won’t be missed and piss off. From Canada’s POV we’re really looking forward to spending billions on Saab Gripens - so we can protect ourselves from you.

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[–] [email protected] 77 points 2 days ago (8 children)

They want out because it's stopping to be a market for the US military industries, as Europe increasingly wants to spend domestically. As such, it now has very little interest.

US: We want you to spend more on defence!
Europe: Ok, we will buy more, from our own companies!
US: That's not what I meant! I'm going home!

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 days ago

Cause and effect are a little twisted here. Trump was already undermining NATO during is first term by saying European members should spend more. They didn't agree at the time, but the Ukraine War proved that Europe really did need a more domestic MIC, and now they are.

Trump wasn't saying it in the first place because he thought it would help NATO.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They wanted to leave during Trump’s first term because it helps Russia’s war with Europe

The increased spending is just meant to make the incumbents unpopular so the Russian backed candidates can win

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

That's probably a factor as well.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

The thinly veiled US exceptionalism that America is funding it. And their standard attack against other nations that they are welfare states taking advantage of USA.

Fucking assholes, if people are taking advantage of us. Then be proud we are so strong and rich that they even can.

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