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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

Honestly this makes me feel that not adopting IOT is still a good idea. Yep I am probably leaving some efficiency on the table, but I get more reliability in exchange.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Shocker..it's not.

I was told I needed to sell ecobee and nest when I worked in HVAC. I refused because of this and sold everyone white Rodgers because they can't/won't just shut down the thermostat screwing the end user. I saw this bullshit from day one.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

That's why one uses an industry standard that is brand-independent,operates offline by design and does not require a central component besides a power supply.

Sounds like utopia?

This standard has been available since 1990 in its archaic form, since 2002 in its current form. It is downwards compatible and over 400 companies worldwide are part of the standard. HomeAssistant, ioBroker, openHAB,etc. all support it directly and there are multiple crossover gateways with other standards like DMX, ModBus, Dali,etc. exist. And no, it's components are not more expensive once you look at the TCO.

For fucks sake, people, use KNX.

(PS: There are even a few open-source/DIY components available)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

And to add another unpopular opinion:

A smart temperature control is the one I never ever need to use. Because then the room always has the temperature I want.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

2002 is pretty archaic in technological terms.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So is windows and Linux if you just look at the year they were introduced.

Just because something is backwards compatible doesn't mean it does not get updates/improved.

And tbh, a light switch does not need that much improvement technology wise.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fair enough. I didn't read it as being currently maintained in your original post.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For fucks sake, people, use KNX.

I thought you'd say OpenTherm!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Haha, no. But I know someone who was part of the OpenTherm development.

To quote him:

OpenTherm exists because Plumbers don't trust Sparkys and Sparkys don't trust plumbers.

OpenTherm is easy to install but "stupid" as hell and not adaptable to modern needs mostly, especially if you consider modern heating concepts like passively heated houses, heat pumps,etc.

That's different from KNX (or Modbus in that regard) - They are much broader in their appeal. Singule use/walled garden systems are always a bad idea,imho.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (6 children)

This is why I'm all in for non-"smart crap", I don't even have inductive heating stove top because they never have basic knobs.

Long clicking on [3] then + + + + + + to boil your f eggs? No thanks.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I got the Frigidaire professional 36” induction and it does have knobs 😎

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I just bought one of these! First press on, then wait a second for the pan to be detected, then select the burner to turn on, then + which sets it to 5/10, then press + 5 more times for full power! The one with knobs was like double price...but hey the pan heats up quick while you are cursing at it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If it detects the pan, why do you need to tell it which burner to use?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Maybe you have a pot you leave aside to cooldown.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

It will light up an indicator for each pan detected, so if 2 pans are on the stove you still need to activate the one you want. Assuming you don't want both on.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Long clicking on [3] then + + + + + + to boil your f eggs?

A lot of them have a terrible UI. But that's far from all of them. Enough have sliders. Sometimes one with a pan detection. Sometimes a slider per area.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That is a horrible argument.

Just get a non shit induction stove

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's just on and then hold b for boost now. It automatically detects which slot you have placed your pan on and selects that for you. But I get your point...

Induction is great 👍

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago

Why do we allow this? Companies that contribute to operate should be severely penalized if they don't A)) continue to support legacy products B)) offer FULL replacement if servers/apps shutdown or C)) open source EVERYTHING is they are going to try to kill a device.

[–] [email protected] 89 points 1 year ago (4 children)

16 years? That's like 8 separate Google project lifetimes.

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