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[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

Someone ask the old fella to do a press release or a road map presentation to convince us all

[–] [email protected] -4 points 8 months ago (7 children)

I've come to the conclusion from this thread and others that liberals either don't believe or can't comprehend that leftists consider Palestinians to be actual human beings whose lives are inherently valuable. The way they see it, we're whiny children throwing a fit because we were refused a puppy. I keep seeing people talk about opposition to genocide as "an individual want" or "being upset that you got bread instead of a cake," and so on, characterizing us as selfishly prioritizing our individual preferences, because in their minds it's just about us feeling bad when we see dying Palestinians, and not about the Palestinians themselves.

Opposition to genocide is a hard red line and a fundamental moral principle. It's not a want, it's not a preference, it is a demand which is absolutely non-negotiable.

I'm never going to be convinced to vote for Biden, but if you actually care about convincing leftists, then you're shooting yourself in the foot by trivializing the issue. Of course, the most effective way to convince an opponent of genocide to support a politician would be to get the politician to stop supporting genocide, but if you choose to focus you efforts on getting leftists to stop opposing genocide instead, I can't stop you.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

trivializing the issue.

How about we flip this around and talk about trivializing the issue of having a Trump-led slide into fascism and any attempt at leftist organising getting you thrown into a camp... while Palestinians are still getting bombed because Israel certainly doesn't need the US's help to produce arms. Mabye that's an evil enough evil to convince you that the lesser evil is, indeed, the lesser one.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (17 children)

Young people? How about Democrat party leadership? If you need certain people to vote for you, then you have to earn their votes! How is this so hard to understand?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Because the side that benefits from voter apathy is relying on that exact ‘wall of noise’ media coverage to disenfranchise enough voters to get their preferred candidate in.

The amount of damage that Trump was able to inflict upon the United States in his term (3 Supreme Court picks, countless lower court picks); he will deliver a killing blow if given the opportunity.

As hyperbolic as it sounds, this could very well be the least legitimate Presidential election should he succeed.

“Both Sides Bad” is a 4Chan-level talking point concocted by the right, to obfuscate all the good that has been implemented over the past four years - even without all the roadblocks the GOP keeps putting in the way.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago (4 children)

I wish less people were so jaded about voting...

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 8 months ago

The Unconcerned: "Orange man bad"

Me: YES! Orange man VERY bad, glad we were able to dumb it down for you in a way you can understand it.

[–] [email protected] 84 points 8 months ago (10 children)

Hi. I’m not American. But we all understand Trump’s threats. Or the inherent threat he poses. I think I speak for the world.

I’m more worried about a system that let someone like that get this far!

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