So not one but two suffering entities?
Somehow that makes it worse.
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This hypothesis is bullshit. There are far more than just two consciousnesses.
Yeah, like, what are they trying to say??
That all of the consciousnesses belong to just two entities? That's weird bro, sounds unhealthy, maybe they need help.
Unrelated but “consciousnesses” sounds kinda funny
we should go with "conscii"
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I'm aware of my other consciousness. She's cool. I try to be more like her.
I'm pretty sure mine hates me and makes me so stupid stuff whenever I'm distracted.
I call it my customer service face.
Well looks like someone broke the barrier because the smart ass up there is always giving me shit!
Only the Baron Harkonnen speaks in my head, so hah!
Fear is the mind killer.
so are we a mixture of experts too?
As far as I understand, the line gets even blurrier then that. Apparently quiet a lot of the subsections of your brain do things that can be interpreted as conciseness, but we experience it as one unified thing.
No, conciseness is the ability to describe things in few words. You probably meant to say consumption.
No, consumption is the process of taking in food for nourishment. You're thinking of conscience
No, conscience is the ability to feel remorse for negative actions, you're probably thinking of conspicuousness.
No, conspicuousness is when something is obvious to the point of standing out, you're thinking of conscription.
No, conscription is state-mandated enlistment in military service. You're probably thinking of constipation.
No, constipation is a condition that makes bowel movements hard to pass. You're probably thinking of conservatorship.
I posit that the human mind is made up of dozens, or perhaps even hundreds/thousands "smaller agents" that work together to create consciousness as an emergent property of the whole, which makes it impossible to isolate and say "this, THIS right here IS concsciousness". That does not mean each of those has their own personality, per sé.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_Who_Mistook_His_Wife_for_a_Hat is a fantastic exploration of this idea, focusing on people who have lost specific parts of their brains due to tumors or strokes. The human mind is very much like a complex modern website- take Amazon for example, if everything is working, it’s the website where you buy stuff, but if certain specific systems are offline, you lose specific features, like your order history, or your cart, or your recommended products, etc… Missing one or two of of those components diminishes the site somewhat, but it’s still more or less Amazon. Your brain works the same way!
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I posit this as well. I’m made up of at least 5 or 6 different versions of me with different biases and personalities. There’s a negative narcissistic version, there’s a happy go lucky version, a pragmatic version, a nihilist with a dark sense of humour, a soppy emotional one, and others and they all fight constantly to have their say. I thought everyone was like this 🤪
I'm all alone. Which is likely why I crave social activities.
Plurality is a thing...
So if I run enough different AI LLM models and let them communicate, I can create consciousness?
If you gave them all access to real world, realtime sensor data... Over an extended period of time...hmm
No, because LLMs are just a mathematical blender with ONE goal in mind: construct a good sentence. They have no thoughts, they have no corrective motion, they just spit out sentences.
You MIGHT get to passing a Turing test with enough feedback tied in, but then the "conciousness" is specifically coming from the systemic complexity at that point and still very much not the LLMs.
So you're saying it's not good enough for a sentient personality, but it might be good enough for an average politician?
Hell, maybe even above average if the model can update itself in real time.
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Yeah, and come to think of it, I bet you that each one has its own characteristics. Perhaps they may be full blown individuals themeselves from another time and place, and I too will one day join them...
Brb gonna go sailing...
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You're not gonna give us a source?
It is proposed that it is possible that a person may develop two separate conscious entities within their one brain after undergoing a corpus callosotomy.
So unless you've had your brain cut in half to treat your epilepsy then you're probably alright
No conclusive evidence of the proposed phenomenon has been discovered.
The one thing I can think of that approaches support for the idea is "Joe, the split-brain patient"'s case. You can show him stuff on the right side of his visual field, and he'll tell you what it is. Show him something on the left side of his vision, and he can draw it and react to it, but can't name it. The speech center of his brain is disconnected from the right hemisphere due to that procedure.
A disconnect doesn't necessarily imply two separate conscious entities though, right?
In those experiments, the speaking portion of Joe has no clue what the other side is experiencing. Like they show it to him on the wrong side and say "can you see this?" "No". Then they ask him to draw it, and to his amazement he does. It's not just being unable to vocalize certain thoughts - they're not even there to vocalize at all to that part of the brain. But the other half is happily chugging away with that info
This video by CGP Grey goes into it a bit more, but split brain patients have even had their two halves disagree. For example the conscious hand picking out something to wear then the other hand batting it away and picking something else. It's quite fascinating to read about.
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