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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago

That is terrifying

[–] [email protected] 63 points 1 year ago (12 children)

The next generation is so fucked. Wait...they be the ones who take care of me in the old person home. I'm fucked as will.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago

Child abuse

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago

You would think that with all those kids watching, Xi would lean into the whole Winnie the Pooh resemblance.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (22 children)

This ban can't come soon enough. Fuck the CCP.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

"In my household, the only addictive spyware we use is made in the USA!!!"

Edit: everyone below me is proving my point exactly.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (22 children)

People love to repeat this, but US companies aren't coming from a place of hostile intent like china's special brand of tik tok for the states.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (13 children)

They're both focused on profit. The only reason you see the other one as scary is because it's owned by the scary scary Chinese. Red scare all over again.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ah yes, that will solve the problem

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wait, is there another psyops software the CCP has deployed in the US?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Probably plenty. Tik tok is just the biggest owned by a foreign government that also is showing pretty immediate extreme negative effects on children’s attention spans and learning capabilities.

But people are still gonna whine because they’re 25 year olds who need to watch 80 videos of unboxing shoes in 4 minutes . That’s really the only pro tik tok argument there is.

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[–] [email protected] 163 points 1 year ago (5 children)

My brief forays into both TikTok and YouTube Shorts have left me profoundly unimpressed with the short-form video.

[–] [email protected] 89 points 1 year ago (4 children)

It’s all vertical video as well. YouTube pushes Shorts fairly aggressively on the desktop website, and it’s a crappy experience.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Be glad Youtube still works on the desktop at all. A very large majority of users watch on their phones and YouTube only cares about profits.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

There was that brief period of time where Vine existed and had actual quality content.

Then the short video format was shittified after everyone began doing it, and fairly rapidly devolved into mindless attention seeking nonsense / micro personal update vlog... or worse.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well humans are making them. Vine and other early adopter places (Lemmy) are nice until the "masses" find it.

It's awful, but people eat it up. Add in profit margins and companies jump on smelling that sweet sweet profit.

Tik Tok is blocked in my house but unfortunately reels/yt shorts have no easy way to block without affecting the rest of the service.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Jack Dorsey was just a year or two early with Vine it seems.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He didn't have the resources and determination of the Chinese state behind him.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

And lacking destructive impulse and intent

[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's all mind-melting in my experience

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Literally proven to ruin attention span in children and essentially cause ADHD, can also easily cause depression by constantly seeing (usually) fake people flaunting their (usually) fake life and wealth.

Not to mention the proliferation of insane conspiracy theories, absolute nonsense and usually harmful 'advice' of one kind or another, 'being rich is the only thing that matters so here is a scam to show you how!' of all kinds of flavors...

Brain rot.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Literally proven to ruin attention span in children and essentially cause ADHD

Please link source, interested in reading.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Having recently been diagnosed with ADHD I've taken part in several classes on ADHD to learn more about it. And the consensus is that no external factors like that cause ADHD. However, I'm sure this topic of algorithm driven addictive short form videos for a very young audience is being studied more now than ever so who knows what the consensus on that will be in the future. Causing ADHD or not, I don't think it's healthy either way.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

can also easily cause depression by constantly seeing (usually) fake people flaunting their (usually) fake life and wealth

That’s a problem with many social media platforms and the “influencer” culture they host. Instagram has been particularly criticised for this.

These heavily curated content posted on these platforms does not reflect the warts and all reality of real life. People who get too engrossed in it can quickly start to feel their lives are inadequate.

I’m not sure what the solution is for this, other than trying to better regulate the algorithms used by these platforms.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Well, better regulation of algorithms is not a thing that is going to happen.

Assuming you could actually specify this kind of content... which you probably can with some degree from the standpoint of the engineers behind the things... theres basically no way to ban or limit this kind of content in a law.

1: Giant Freedom of Speech based opposition. To some extent, yeah if you penalize it, well you are limiting free speech and artistic expression, is what will be claimed.

2: Without literally having access to the way the algorithm works, it'd be a massive tome of a law to try to pass. And also software changes, so ... you can probably rewrite your way around a specific way to limit this kind of content.

I don't know. Maybe you could pass a law that mandates if your platform has x many users or daily views, you must provide to the user far, far more in depth means to manage their own content they are thrown up.

Or perhaps you could have some kind of FAA type entity created, which is supposed to be deeply involved in the behind the scenes aspects of basically standard operation of the social media industry, as the FAA is with aircraft manufacture/airspace/airports.

Of course the counter point to that is well just look at the FAA and Boeing ot even SpaceX. Regulatory capture is a thing, and with both Boeing and SpaceX it seems like the FAA (and in SpaceX's case the EPA) either don't really care to do their jobs, or actual enforcement mechanisms are just too slow or cumbersome.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (3 children)

What does "on tiktok" mean?

Unsupervised with their own accounts? I feel like that's difficult to believe. Watching a few tiktoks before dinner with their parents? That doesn't really strike me as a problem.

While I don't entirely disagree with the author, I feel like this is a far too superficial look at what is a larger societal problem: young people have checked out.

He makes the argument that mental health is in decline, and I'm not sure if that's true or we've just removed the stigma from therapy... But of more concern to me is that young people just DGAF, and I think that's because older generations have left nothing for younger generations to inherit, besides ruin. Kids 5-7 aren't gonna understand that, but they're gonna pick up the vibes from their parents.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I don't think its difficult to imagine 30% of 5 to 7s with their own phones on tiktok nearly all the time.

Raising kids is hard, especially when youre poor and stressed out or tired all the time, its waaay easier to just get them a phone.

The number of people I've met in the last couple of years? Yeah, I live amongst the poors, the abusive parents and single moms and drunk/drug addicted dads... all their kids either have their own phones or the family has one for all the kids, who basically fight over it and get smacked by a parent or older sibling when theyre being too rowdy.

A few weeks ago I was walking, puffing on a nicotine vape. A school bus pulls up and drops off what could not have been older than 2nd graders, who began hounding me: Lemme hit that wax bro, Share your wax!

These are those 5 to 7s that are on TikTok, or close to it. I didnt even realize what Wax was at first, literally had to scurry home and lookup that wax is now the term for basically dab pens.

So yeah, theres huge segments of the population where 7 year olds want a highly concentrated dose of MJ from a literal random person theyve never seen before.

Devo: It's a beautiful world we live in... for you, but not for me.

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[–] [email protected] 100 points 1 year ago (5 children)

The question here would be.. where are their parents?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Out stealing cars for likes.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Putting their kids on Tiktok so they are able to poop in peace.

[–] [email protected] 66 points 1 year ago

At their second jobs.

[–] [email protected] 76 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

On tiktok too, where else.

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