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[–] [email protected] 24 points 11 months ago (10 children)

I love to hate on musky boi as much as the next guy, but how does this actually compare to vehicular accidents and deaths overall? CGP Grey had the right idea when he said they didn't need to be perfect, just as good as or better than humans.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Grey had the right idea when he said they didn't need to be perfect, just as good as or better than humans.

The better question - is Tesla's FSD causing drivers to have more accidents than other driving assist technologies? It seems like a yes from this article and other data I've linked elsewhere in this thread.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Yeah and that's the problem, they're no where near "as good"

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[–] [email protected] -2 points 11 months ago

This just breaking, cars linked to thousands of crashes and deaths.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I guess we should ban autopilot so we can go back to nobody having accidents in cars.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

So we should let musk endanger people needlessly for tesla's profits?

a human driver isn't 100% but you can at least hold the human liable for their mistakes. Is Musk going to be liable for the accidents this causes?

Because that's the human left in the loop, the fool self drive champion.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 11 months ago (4 children)

VERGE articles seem to be getting worse over the years, they've almost reached Forbes level, yes this does raise some valid safety concerns. No Tesla isn't bad just because it's Tesla.

It doesn't really give us the full picture. For starters, there's no comparison with Level 2 systems from other car makers, which also require driver engagement and have their own methods to ensure attention. This would help us understand how Tesla's tech actually measures up.

Plus, the piece skips over extremely important stats that would give us a clearer idea of how safe (or not) Tesla's systems are compared to good old human driving.

We're left in the dark about how Tesla compares in scenarios like drunk, distracted, or tired driving—common issues that automation aims to mitigate. (probably on purpose).

It feels like the article is more about stirring up feelings against Tesla rather than diving deep into the data. A more genuine take would have included these comparisons and variables, giving us a broader view of what these technologies mean for road safety.

I feel like any opportunity to jump on the Elon hate wagon is getting tiresome. (and yes i hate Elon too).

[–] [email protected] -2 points 11 months ago

"And yes, I hate elon too, but"

[–] [email protected] -3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

a more genuine take would have included a series of scenarios (e.g. drunk/distracted/tired driving)

I agree. they did tesla dirty. a more fair comparison would've been between autopilot and a driver who was fully asleep. or maybe a driver who was dead?

and why didn't this news article contain a full scientific meta analysis of all self driving cars??? personally, when someone tells me that my car has an obvious fault, I ask them to produce detailed statistics on the failure rates of every comparable car model

[–] [email protected] -2 points 11 months ago

a driver who was fully asleep. or maybe a driver who was dead?

why does it need to become a specious comparison for it to be valid in your expert opinion? because those comparisons are worthless.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago

I lost faith in the verge after how they handled the whole PC build fiasco

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