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Sotomayor: If the president decides that his rival is a corrupt person and he orders the military to assasinate him, is that within his official acts to which he has immunity?

"That could well be an official act," Trump lawyer John Sauer says

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The right question to ask is whether the president can decide to assassinate a supreme court justice. Then it becomes plenty clear to the supreme court fucks how obviously insane the rationale is.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

Thing is, they are asking the questions and I rather suspect that they don't want to put that out there.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago

A bold move for the council of the current president's political rival, but alright bet. Pretty sure the lawyer just wants a way to escape the current client while saving face.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 6 months ago

"Your honor I submit to the court..our own rules instead the current ones, what say you!?"

[–] [email protected] 37 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The main Trump lawyer defense has been to say that the military has it's own rules against executing such an order. But if Trump promises them pardons, those rules wouldn't be enforced, and the whole thing would be "legal".

The pardon power is kinda the root of all evil here, because even if the court finds that Trump isn't immune (which they almost certainly will), that just brings up the next question which is can the president pardon himself? I'm amazed that after the Trump years and his corrupt pardons there's been no effort to limit the pardon power.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 6 months ago

The pardon power should be eliminated, and that's been clear since Nixon was pardoned. Sure, just about every president has a feel-good set of pardons, people who were railroaded by bad laws and bad court practices, but those corrections are only a tiny fraction of the outrageous injustices committed by our system, and their existence is used to justify the injustice in the first place - "oh but surely there will be a pardon for people who really need it" - as if depending on a single King-figure at the top to make good decisions, instead of improving systems, was ever a good idea. But in the meantime, just about every president also has a list of political pardons they trade for favors, or use for people who committed crimes on behalf of the president, or the party. Why the fuck does it make any sense at all to say "hey, this person was elected head of the executive branch, they should be able to just shield people from the rule of law", if the rule of law is an important basis of a free democracy? It's weird, when you think about it. End the pardon.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

You know, I'm honestly not sure why everyone's thinking this is part of some plan for the future they have. Fuckhead was already president. Given this guy's track record, it's far more likely that he didn't get to finish covering his ass for something the first time around.

Any likely candidates that disappeared 2016-2020?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

I mean, Jeffrey Epstein springs immediately to mind. But they definitely have a plan for the future, anyhow.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 6 months ago (3 children)

So this means someone could come in, kill the sitting President, and claim the presidency by right of conquest?

Murica!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Only one way to find out!

For legal purposes, this comment is a joke.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

My 5yo approves this message

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago

One more step towards President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Camacho.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago

That has never happened ever in history. Novel idea!

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