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this post was submitted on 24 Apr 2024
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Surprised nobody here has mentioned Kagi yet.
Thank you. Im going to check this out later tonight.
Surprised SearXNG is underrated. Basically what Kagi does but open source and self hosteable.
Searx is great, but Kagi has a completely different data source set than Searx. Searx is basically just an aggregator for various search engines.
https://help.kagi.com/kagi/search-details/search-sources.html
I don't see how it is different than an aggregator.
Coming out of my cage and I'm doing just fine
If I search for something specific I now usually ask chatgpt and describe what I'm looking for. The results are often (not always) far better.
I don't want to click through 50 pages of unrelated shit anymore.
Just google in general really
I hate that search engine degradation is what’s lead me to use AI more. Instead of searching past pages full of 8 ads for a waffle recipe, I ask Copilot or something: “Give me a basic waffle recipe”.
So much computation to go back to what the web used to be great at.
I just tell AI to google stuff for me and link me to the best results...let it wade through the ads and spam.
I know Lemmy doesn't like it, but Kagi is really great
Astroturfing bad
Good search good
The former is unconfirmed to be sure
I’m liking $0 SearXNG: lots of instances if you don’t host your own (for max privacy I think)
Germany/Spain hosted instance with all the checkmarks (Vanilla, IPv6, 100% uptime): https://searxng.site
If you fancy paying for a decent cause, don’t see a problem with the paid option sometimes suspiciously mentioned on Lemmy. Free trialing it saw a pleasant experience.
Bruh, you think Im a bot?
Responding to the human who typed:
I know Lemmy doesn't like it
Explaining many Lemmings seem to like it, and attempting to explain why some may bristle at its mention
That’s all :)
You said it was astroturfing, implying I was astroturfing.
Sorry, meant it as a reply to each segment of your sentence, to clarify what I think we like and don’t like:
Lemmy doesn’t like [astroturfing], but [Lemmy likes] great [search]
I haven’t seen anybody say Kagi’s search itself is bad! Oh, I should have mentioned some don’t like the idea of paid search period. That’s another complaint.
Overall positive impressions from many users here, is what I see. “Lemmy doesn’t like Kagi” is somewhat of a mischaracterization I think.
Totally fair, sorry for the misunderstanding
I friggin love this site
Hope you have a nice day & weekend ‘round the corner
Lemmy just likes shitting on popular things to feel superior
You keep on Kagi'ing
Lemmy doesn't like it for a reason.
Im a massive proponent of FOSS, But I have not heard a single sustainable FOSS model for maintaining free search engines. It just takes so much capital to operate.
I think a paid model is much better than a privacy disrespecting / ad driven one.
FOSS and paid are not mutually exclusive, but Kagi is not FOSS and of dubious transparency/trustworthiness.
Also Kagi is not operating a search engine, but a search aggregator mostly dependent on Google. They don't need much upfront capital to operate.
An actual search indexer competitive with Google is too expensive to be profitable without (tens of) millions of paid users or hundreds of millions of free ones (i.e. bing and maaaaybe yandex?).
True google alternatives are therefore only going to come out of big capital (MSFT), or less likely a government (EU?) funded company. There might be an argument to be made for decentralized search as well, but the only actual contender in that field right now is a crypto thing that probably relies mostly on bing/google. Still, a decentralized open indexer may actually make some sense in theory.
Right, but nobody hates google because ofits results. They hate that its privacy invasive.
if its individually paid, you don't have privacy.
It is if they dont store search queries, which they claim they dont. I have no reason to distrust them.
If I wanted to pay to talk to people, I'd go to a therapist.
I knew Google started ignoring double quotes for required text years ago, but I found out yesterday that it doesn't even think "site:xyz.com" needs to be followed.
I was researching something and saw some Reddit posts. Clicked below it to view results from Reddit and a third of them were other websites.
Google has always respected my double quote and site: searches. Please share a screenshot of it borken, I looked online and don’t see examples. If you have the time for a silly little thing :)
Nope nope nope nope nope
You:
Google's response:
yeah that's why I switched engines.
This post article goes REALLY into why. I am in no way a techie nor do I really care too much what goes on in the tech sector. I will never build a PC. Regardless, that article is extremely well written and worth the time despite the length.
Cannot upvote this enough. I subscribed to this guy's newsletter because of this article; it's honestly excellent.
What guy? Link above is broken :(