If there's a spin without systemd let me know.
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Trying the KDE Fedora 40 beta spin is what made me switch from a 30-year Windows streak.
Ohy god it took me a full minute to realize that I wasn't looking at three stylized vaginas.
To be fair, I have seen several neolithic Venus figurines lately.
It's three fedoras, looked at from the top!
Thank you for making me look, but fuck you for not telling me, it took ages of staring at my screen before I got what was actually depicted.
I had no issues identifying it, and was quite pleased that they actually showed fedoras. People confuse trilbys for fedoras far too frequently.
So far seem to be an uneventful upgrade.
Defaulting to wayland for KDE6 on a nvidia GPU doesn’t seem to have broken anything
I'd try fedora if it had a different name.
Wait, what's wrong with Fedora? In terms of terrible names that's pretty low. There code name system used to horrific before the discontinued
Yeah it's just name bias. I can't unsee that one particular fedora guy picture when I read it.
I had the same problem when I started to look into Linux distros. Nevermind, I have the same problem in generell. With bandnames, songnames, appnames, packagenames, you name it.
I run with Debian at first because it sounded better than Ubuntu and the logo reminded me of the zerg from StarCraft.
Then I tried a bunch of others, you know how it is, and landet on fedora. Hated the name, still do, but it was the first distro where everything worked. So I've been sticking to it since.
I miss when it was called Fedora Core.
Bluefin is basically fedora with a different name.
All hail compiz 3d cube lol
Compared to the rise of LLMs, containers are positively old hat now
You know, this statement makes the author sound like they think LLMs should replace containers, or that development of better containers is passé because of New and Shiny Things.
Please take care not to sound like a project manager when doing tech journalism.
I keep finding myself drifting back to XFCE
Plasma is not replacing Gnome in Fedora Workstation.
And it doesn't need to anyway, the plasma spin works great and there's no real sign of it being treated as a second class citizen in terms of development/support from the Fedora team.
I think the argument is that since it not the default and not visible in the fedora landing page, the kde spin gets less coverage and hence people are more likely to come across and use the fedora workstation in favour of the kde spin.
Tbh I am fully behind KDE as flagship desktop. Dealing with GNOME users problems all day in the forum, KDE is just better for usability?
GNOME is reduced over the amount that makes sense. KDE could use a bit of reduction, but not as much as GNOMEs. People need the Terminal or random extensions for basic things, this is not a good experience.
On the other hand, GNOME and KDE both have really nice features, GNOME with their Microsoft integrations being particularly powerful (their account system works at all, unlike KDEs which I think nobody uses. But when using Thunderbird, which has standalone Exchange support, you dont use that account system anyways so it doesnt matter again).
Also GNOME has like all their apps on Flathub. GNOME Boxes is particularly crazy, having sandboxed virtualization. This means you can mix match GNOME Flatpaks on a KDE desktop without any problems, KDE even handles the theming for you. On GNOME on the other hand... it actively breaks Qt apps, its insane.
So I think GNOME has some great apps (snapshot, decoder, simplescan, carburetor, celluloid ...) but you can install them anywhere.
Dealing with GNOME users problems all day in the forum, KDE is just better for usability?
It seems not unimaginable that whichever is more popular (/the default) will have more people reporting problems in the forum, regardless of how good it is?
Yeah okay. I dont deny that I would also prefer maintaining and QA-ing GNOME over KDE, as its just so much smaller.
But stuff like "there are no right click options for zip" are pretty crazy. Or the total lack of templates by default, for stuff like text files.
GNOME looks better out of the box and configuring KDE can be very tricky. There are also a lot of outdated "addons" for KDE and you need some in order to get what you want. extensions are better integrsted in KDE but it's not like KDE has everything out of the box. I'd love to see more KDE support.
I think KDE looks great out of the box, includes all the extensions I want, and is easy to configure.
includes all the extensions I want
This is what people dont get. Different DEs best serve different people. We should always push to have a better experience but sniping between DEs makes no sense
That's good :)
True. KDEs virtual desktops are also basically unusable for me, idk I just dont see them so they are not used.
There are pros and cons. Its simply a tie, I stay with KDE because the lack of some things (like close buttons with the hitbox in the very edge) would annoy me.
This is my issue with KDE. Virtual Desktops are too unnecessarily convoluted to use. Even Alt-Tabbing is a pain if you have anything over 1 single workspace. I decided to daily drive KDE for a few months to give it a good chance, because before I would usually just go back to Gnome after a few days. It's been 2 months now, and I don't think I can take much more of it.
Their Plasma 6 overview is great, just needs the panel displayed or even an app menu and it could be similar to GNOME.
I actually tweaked it to be more "gnome-like", but the desktops are a hot mess. At the end of the day, it's a matter of taste, and I'm a huge fan of Gnome's simplicity.
I don't really get this but I'm going to assume it's that my workflow is just different than yours.
I have keyboard shortcuts I'm happy with that let me navigate my virtual desktops as desired and place widows on them. If I wasn't happy with those shortcuts I could change them. I can see having different preferences, or etc, but what makes it a hot mess exactly?
When I Alt-tab it always goes to the apps open on the next desktop, and never shows the apps on the current desktop. So, say I have Vivaldi and KWrite on desktop 1, and Brave and LibreOffice Calc on desktop 2.
If I'm on desktop 1 on Vivaldi and Alt-tab, it'll move to Desktop 2 and move between Brave and Calc, and but will never show anything from Desktop 1, until I release the Alt key and Alt-tab again.
Now, for me it's even worse since I have 3 Desktops instead of 2.
Have you dug into the options at all? If I'm visualizing what you are describing correctly, I think spending some time here should solve your issues.
edit - specifically the options in the lower right
could become future flagship
Was proposed, but seems unlikely as Fedora/RedHat does a lot in the Gnome eco-system.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
The Fedora Project has recycled primary sponsor Red Hat's old Atomic brand (which the company sunset after acquiring CoreOS), and will use it to group its growing collection of immutable desktop distributions: Silverblue (with GNOME), Kinoite (with KDE Plasma), Sericea (with Sway), and Onyx (with Budgie).
Fedora aims to be the best distro for software developers, and Red Hat's announcement of the beta highlighted some of the tools for machine learning and large language model development that it will include, including the Python-based PyTorch and version 6 of AMD's ROCm framework complete with support for AMD's latest MI300 accelerators.
Version 5 of the DNF package manager, which was held back from Fedora 38 early last year, still didn't make it in two releases later, but it's being evaluated in some subsidiary roles.
This is an OS for modern hardware, and while it should perform well, it will want plenty of fast storage and a recent model of GPU, supported by the latest drivers, to do it.
This aging vulture has to perform a web search to check which name denotes which desktop in each Fedora immutable edition, every single time.
If anyone has a hypothesis to explain why distro vendors are so fond of giving their immutable distributions whimsical names, please send in your ideas on a postcard comment below.
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