"doesn't affect your body" is false - it just has different effects
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It's part of their culture. Don't take their culture away from them.
I'm seeing a lot of this on nearly every single [email protected] post, but:
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Actually soy estrogen definitely does affect humans.
Just not nearly as effective the ol regular estrogen mix. It only mildly helps with hot flashes during menopause.
My friend was raised on a soy-heavy diet (impoverished hippy parents). She's powerfully endowed.
There is a difference between choosing a soy product for some protein replacement, and living of soy as if it's the only source of protein.
Adding to that. The phytoestrogen seems to compete and reduce the effect of estrogen in some situations. It is possible that excessive soy would have the opposite effect on a woman. So reducing the harshness of puberty.
And also. My grandmother was powerfully endowed too. On a balanced diet. So I don't find this anecdotal evidence enough.
That doesn't mean it's worth considering its impact. But I think the focus should still be on proper nutrition regardless.
So what you're saying is I really gotta step up my milk intake for knockoff hrt? Noted
Why would milk have oestrogen.
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Have you ever considered that milk is, like, MILK?
Right, which male baby animals drink with no problem.
Are you... serious? They have no problem with it BECAUSE they are baby animals! The hormones are IN THE MILK FOR THE BABIES. That's WHY babies drink milk, why mothers ONLY PRODUCE MILK FOR BABIES, why no other creature on earth drinks the milk of a mammal when they are not a baby. Like holy fuck, how do people think mammals work??
Cows are often pregnant while they are milked, so dairy milk contains hormones like insulin-like growth factor-1 (IGF-1), estrogens, and progestins. Some cows are given additional hormones to increase milk production.
Find some random chemical in plants that shares a functional group with adrenaline or something. Call it phytoadrenaline. Boom you just turned every crossfit bro into a worshiper of soy apparently.
I am literally gonna do this.
The soy thing is just a dumb meme right? I'm having trouble imagining a person stupid enough to actually have that concern.
(Just to clarify so no one infers bad intent behind my question, I do think veganism is cool and good.)
I mean it does seem to contain phytoestrogens which are plant based molecules that act as estrogens so no but I really doubt it would have a noticeable effect.
It also wouldn't surprise me if the phytoestrogens get denatured when cooked. (I do not know what phytoestrogens look like chemically, please correct me if I'm wrong about them likely being denatured)
I’ve personally had someone say that to me about soy milk.
This is where Joe Rogan style insecure flat earthers get the term soy boy.
Oh yeah they think that.
I've never heard of or heard someone say that. Though I eat meat so I guess I wouldn't be the target audience?
I guess that's true. I've never given a thought about veganism until I became one 8 years ago. You'd hear the dumbest things, even how the "vegetables" vegans are eating aren't healthy, but when Miriam from HR eats a salad it's because she wants to lose weight and get healthy.
I was a victim of the meat propaganda as well. I hate there's ads for meat and dairy on every corner. I hate grocery stores for this reason too (all the smiling cartoon animals, apart from the meat there's little real animal about it).
I am fine and I am healthy. When proteinpowderboy 2035 comes and says I am not because I don't eat the chimken I can do nothing more than roll my eyes.
Seeing stuff like this online is funny, because I do relate strongly. I felt the same when I became an atheist, after living the first 20 years of my life in a very religious town.
Yeah, it's really interesting how easy it can be to not notice stuff like this until you end up in the group. I obviously haven't had the experience around vegan stuff, but have with other things.
Personally I just can't get over the overbearing hostility from some people, both vegans at me whenever i admit that I'm not one, and also other non vegans who are weirdly mean to vegans. But hey, i guess not everyone is gonna get along.
Guess it's part of the bubble too. People who end up on the other side of what the general population is doing are prone to turn into zealots.
The same happens in a lot of FOSS communities.
Damn. I never thougth about this, but have you ever noticed that this kind of memes are basically a one huge strawman fallacy? No offence OP, just a sudden thought.
My dad literally refuses to touch soy because of this. Yet he dines on dairy products. It’s not a strawman. It’s straight up relatable.
Nah there are people genuinely out there spouting this, unfortunately a former friend of mine has become a tate/rogan person and this is one of the weird things spread around in those circles.
How is this a straw man? I've literally had people tell me they don't want to eat soy because of the estrogen, while they eat cheese and dairy products.
I mean, any argument with an imaginary opponent is kinda a strawman if you think about it. I'm not doubting existence of such folks tho, there are lots of morons among people.
They're dumb, soy is great
How dare I post vegan memes in the vegan community right?
All the fucking carnists in the comments with their meatsplaining have nothing better to do.
lmao
Bold to assume I’m not a plant
Bold that we assumed that you weren't
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Can we...
Can we eat them?
I think, morally, we have to to
This cites no sources or anything, so take it with a grain of salt, but this is just an excellent headline: Chinese man grows breasts after eating chicken
Farmer here, I can explain this. After eating chicken breasts, the seeds passed through his digestive system. When he pooped outside, the breast seeds went on the soil encased in a natural fertilizer. Most people go straight to a toilet, and since breasts can't grow there they never really think about the possibility of growing breasts after eating chicken.
I don't think you understood the headline. It's temporal, not casual. More a kind of "slice of life" article. First he eats the chicken, then he grows breasts - presumably the usual way of buying breast seeds, since these days most chicken breasts are GMO and don't yield fertile seeds.
The real tragedy is the apparent spontaneity of the decision, so he probably didn't graft onto the right chicken roots too get the plumpest growth.
It's sad there is no picture of him.
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