City Skylines Team to their fans: We’re sorry. Making good.
George R.R Martin to his fans: Go get fucked.
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Stellaris optimization update, when?
NEVER!
We're riding this wave over in the Total War community too. Broken game, weak and overpriced DLC.
We kicked off (and then all their other games managed to flop at once, so they came crawling back) and now we've got a notable amount more effort into the DLC coming at the end of the month, as well as price cuts, refunds and redoing of the bad DLC.
Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't, but I'm seeing positive movements in general on legacy resting-on-laurels games.
They've basically perfected keeping the community mostly happy by toeing the line between putting out solid base games and putting out greedy DLC.
What we're now seeing is what happens when you don't immediately change course after you skimp on making a good base game.
It's all sheer greed, too. Paradox has fully embraced the model of releasing sequels with less content than their DLC-enhanced previous games after 2K showed the market had tolerance for it with Civilization. Considering how that already puts them ahead of the curve, it's amazing that Paradox let this game come out in this state.
That doesn't make it sheer greed; it's what's feasible to develop. A systems driven game like a city builder or a 4X game mean that you can't just drag and drop old content in the new systems and expect it to work and look cohesive. Every fighting game launches with fewer characters than the previous version, and it's not because it's some conspiracy to delay dropping the SFV characters in SF6; it's because swapping out the V system for the Drive system is a massive change, and the old characters take a lot of work to port over. Even the art style in Civ 6 is very different from Civ V. When you try to just copy and paste content between two different styles of art direction, you end up with nightmare fuel Chun-Li in Marvel vs. Capcom Infinite.
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To be fair, I don't expect the sequel's base game to have more content than the previous game with all its DLCs, but I do expect the base game to have at least as much content as the previous game's base game.
Thanks for the tldr :)
Remember when games used to be a finished product on a cartridge/CD? You just bought it at the store for a base price of a video game and that was it. Any bugs found in the game became widely accepted, and maybe even exploited by competitive gamers. But there was no patching, no updates, no DLC. You paid for a game up front and that was it.
I miss those days.
Yeah. Good ol’ Pong.
Why do you miss things being permanently broken and unfixable?
The thing is, it forced the people making games to release them as a finished, working product, with the bugs (mostly) stamped out.
Today it's just push something out the door now, and we'll ~~patch it~~ soak them for even more money with DLC later.
You don't miss those days.
You don't have to! Pretty much all of those games are available, and you can play them for free if you're willing to pirate.
But let's be honest, modern games are better which is why you won't do this instead.
I've tried time and time again to enjoy "modern" games, but nothing released after Oblivion or The Witcher 3 was worth my time.
Plenty of old games however have an extremely high replay value, thanks to their immersive missions and bugfree gameplay. Recently played Thief: The Dark Project again (from 1999), and it's a bloody masterpiece.
You're one of the few. Pretty much everyone else complaining about how modern games are bad and the time you speak of was some magical time for gaming, are at the same time only be playing games from the last decade or so.
Having been a game since the early 80s, I would argue gaming is better now than it has ever been. It has its own set of problems, but nothing better than throwing a game I'm interested in into my wishlist, waiting for it to go on deep sale (which happens long after most of those annoying first bugs have been ironed out), checking the reviews at that point, and then downloading if it still looks good.
Generally speaking, games are so much better looking and have the ability to be far more intricate and interesting. Like I played hundreds of hours of civ I. But if I'm going to play civ now, it will be 5 or 6.
Actually there were update still cause the games were only little less broken. It's updates were so much harder for everyone. Hosting them, finding them, knowing there were updates, having to apply updates in specific orders.
Steam has been a good send for that.
Maybe I'm just old
Not old enough, heh. The cartridges/CDs this commenter are talking about had to have rock-solid code because patching wasn't possible. You'd have to make an entire new print run, and very few games of that era ever had those.
And guess what? They still had multiple versions! Ask any Link to the Past speedrunner. 1.0 is broken as hell!
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Yes but this comment is generic to the game industry overall, and has been made thousands of times with slightly different wording. I’d rather use this thread to celebrate the rare event of a company admitting a mistake and actually making customers whole.
Games were also significantly less complex then. It takes teams of 100s of people to make a AAA game now. But don't kid yourself, there were definitely game-breaking bugs back then. And in the pc world, patches arrived much, much earlier than in the console world.
Arguably, patches started even earlier. It wasn't uncommon to release another whole title that was basically a bug/balance patch. See Japanese Pokemon Blue, and all the various Street Fighter 2 versions.
Cart version revisions weren't uncommon either. But they would only be for new purchases.
FF7 and supreme commander were complex. And devs then didn't have the tools we have today, not to mention game engines (there were, but not like today). And ps3 was a pain to program for. And, and...
At the end of the day it’s apples to oranges. The behind the scene development is so different that we can’t really judge them properly, we just have other modern games to compare them to.
Speaking of FF7, I am just about finished with Rebirth and all I thought was wow I didn't see a single update and it played flawlessly. Just shows it can still happen, just super rare.
idk if this is a stupid opinion but I feel like us, the consumers are to blame. If everyone just waited a week and read reviews before buying games then publishers wouldn't be able to get away with this shit.
Honestly, I always felt the $60 price tag for games (now $70+ for AAA titles!) was way too much, so I usually wait about a year or more, then buy it on sale.
So I get to sit back and watch the shitshow when people pre-order games and then get screwed when the game is garbage.
Dragon's Dogma II was super hyped up recently, and even I got the free character customization demo to pre-build a character. Then it announced day-one microtransactions the day before release and pissed off the gaming community.
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It wasn't all sunshine and rainbows. I remember losing hundreds of hours of progress on games due to memory card corruption. Or game cartridges/CDs no longer working, requiring you to buy a new copy. Or consoles getting straight-up bricked.
Hell, a ton of people have memories of blowing into N64/SNES cartridges to get them to work since they had notoriously unreliable connectors. But even though it was something that didn't work great, everybody has fond memories of doing it since there wasn't this amalgamation of voices from every direction telling you to be upset about it and clamoring for retribution. If something was broken, you got frustrated about it, complained to your friends, and then moved on with your life since there wasn't anything else you could do.
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A lot of games were significantly more expensive bc back then too
I remember a few cases where a rare bug softlocked my game and I had to reset my entire progress. It wasn't all that good I would say. They definitely had some standard of quality on release though.