Eww it smells like Tankie in here.
I fail to see how "Taxing the Rich" is the same as "Taxbreaks for the Rich" but I don't feel the need to defend myself to people who shill for Putin.
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This doesn't make any sense to me. Does "Liberal" mean something different in America than UK/Europe?
No, but some users on Lemmy, especially hexbear or lemmy_ml, use Liberal as a slur for Capitalist and they go on long rants about how Liberals and Nato are the devil while they touch themselves to the thought of going down on Xi Jinping.
This post is just pro-CCP Propoganda.
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their "liberal" still means "neoliberal", its just that theres not much further left than that over there.
Liberal in this context is used to refer to the political and economic structure that is liberal democracy; not necessarily the western social definition of liberal.
Conservatives are liberals because they support the status quo that is liberal democracy
edit: this sounded like I was disagreeing with you, but I was just trying to add context so the joke was legible. I completely agree with your comment
OP is addressing both definitions.
"Liberals" (in the American bipartisan usage of the word) in the US think of themselves as the counterpart to "conservatives", but leftists regard them both as liberals in the classical sense as mentioned.
It's a cynical jab at the american liberal self-identity, because their self-image is primarily defined by their opposition to conservatives but this is suggesting they are actually the same.
I think it means libertarian, and I'll go with that assumption until I get corrected.
Perhaps a European ideal of Libertarianism. US liberal politics is a facade of good will to hide the same pro-corporate agenda pushing that the other party does while hiding behind a facade of moral vitriol. US libertarians believe in enforcing one's own freedoms with force rather than relying on government force to defend your rights. US leftists have no political base in our elections, by design.
Pretty much. Their left would be more centre/centre right anywhere else.
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I honestly think liberals and conversatives aren't the same. Their motivations are fundamentally different but for whatever reason a lot of liberals are also conversatives as they are afraid of changes as those changes makes it less predictable and predictability is important when talking about liberties as there isn't really any liberty in random events. At the same time, a lot of people are culturally conversatives even in left wing circles. So you got a lot of liberals who are afraid of change (especially because it is a threat to their portfolio) who think that e.g. women and men were equal by law anyway and companies should be allowed to promote whoever and if they are men, they are men. LIBERTY!!! The wife should stay at home but that is tradition and fits in their "liberty". Now you might wonder how is a conversative different? Not at all in action but they don't really care about liberty but about tradition and safety.
BUT down the line, if conversative fall into their favorite little fascist hole, liberals will be fighting conversatives because now they are affected.
Liberals and conservatives are different in ways that matter A LOT to liberals and conservatives. The differences don't matter nearly as much to leftists, which pisses off liberals to no end.
Does it matter to them? There's a whole demographic of morons that act like the differences aren't clear as day. That a "left leaning" person would even consider voting R in 2024 is a horrific joke.
Some leftists view the US as the last of the old empires, built on violent conquest, genocide, exploitation, and stolen land. They would say that the world cannot progress so long as the United States exists, and they might vote R precisely because they think if R is in power it will accelerate the collapse of the US empire.
Some leftists ~~view the US as the last of the old empires, built on violent conquest, genocide, exploitation, and stolen land. They would say that the world cannot progress so long as the United States exists, and they might vote R precisely because they think if R is in power it will accelerate the collapse of the US empire.~~ are the dumbest fuckers you will ever meet.
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I don’t see any significant number of people doing this. That would be like demolishing a condemned building while you’re standing in it. Yeah it probably should come down, but there are still people inside.
I think about half the people who claim to be accelerationist are just foreign actors.
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This might be true, but it's a little tangential: leftists just don't have a horse in the race. From a dialectical materialist perspective, neither party/candidate is substantially different. They are also quite aware and are resentful of the electoral strategies of the R/D divide that manufactures crisis around social disagreements instead of addressing the increasingly distressed working class conditions. They are well aware of the 'threats' posed by the R side, but they regard them as intentionally overblown and even somewhat encouraged by the D's who are increasingly desperate not to address materialist issues for fear of loosing the support of capital.
Basically: they think the desperation of the democratic party is a bit of schadenfreude for enabling the R party and the orange cheto man to begin with, and they think the D's need to feel a bit of electoral pain in order to come around on issues that are more central to leftist concerns.
This might be true, but it's a little tangential
It probably is, and what you describe is probably more representative of what most leftists think about liberal/conservative politics, but I don't think that matters much to liberals. I don't think liberals care whether you are an R voting accelorationist leftist or a leftist who doesn't engage out of indifference. The liberals see both actions as essentially helping the Republicans, which is an unthinkable crime, in their minds. It's just two different groups with two different ideologies; ideologies that each group believes are mutually exclusive.
which is an unthinkable crime, in their minds
Is that even up for debate? Republicans want to genocide trans people. Why is it even a question about who to support.
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Yea, no argument there. I just think people accuse leftists as being 'accelerationist' as a way to paint them as 'just as bad' as republicans, or worse-than since they acknowledge the damage being done but are actively rooting for it instead of being indifferent or in denial as a republican voter might be.
There are certainly leftists that fit that description, but I think it's just a convenient way for some to dismiss them as crazies.
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I know when I think of boomers, I think "probably likes to express opinions in favor of China / North Korea, and that voting for Democrats isn't worthwhile, and a steady flow of memes they find on meme pages, and not much else aside from those three categories of things." You know... boomer stuff.
What gave it away?
That it is you. At this point, you should know unless people are right about you acting like you don't understand.
They are being sarcastic. I take comments literally sometimes too. Happy to help.
Not my first interaction with them. I don't think they are sarcastic. They like to act oblivious to what people call them out on. You can say they just like to be sarcastic in these situations but then they have to accept that people form their opinion based on their continuous sarcastically stated expressions and not their honest opinion. I take them by their word, because I have no reason to be generous anymore.
Have a little fun before you die, it passes the time. You think I don’t know I’m old and out of touch?
People seem to think they’ve discovered this revelation that I hadn’t discovered decades ago. These are just electrons being displayed on a screen with 1’s and 0’s , treat them as such.
The real revelations come from introspection, not recognizing the faults in others. Thanks for coming to my Ted talk.
You can do both. Identify problems in others and in yourself. Especially great, finding problems (because it is easier due to cognitive biases) and then asking yourself if you carry the same flaws.
I treat the 1's and 0's as what they are in this context: Encoded information.
It is not about being out of touch though. Being out of touch doesn't make you post random political memes "without understand their meaning". It makes you fail at understanding their meaning... Maybe... Sometimes but not posting them.
Lastly thanks for wishing me fun, I have it, don't worry.