We've already got prison slavery and wage slavery running rampant, but I don't think chattel slavery will make a comeback.
this post was submitted on 02 Feb 2024
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Slavery never disappeared anywhere.
Chattle slavery? Certainly but slavery never left, it just changed
Prison.
Outside of prisons, you mean?
What a fucking stupid question.
Yes because modern slavery is much more effective. Make people take over debt and then pay them the minimum, barely enough to survive, and they will do whatever you tell them to do. You don't need guard or weapon although a little bit of propaganda and no union, because union are communism and communism bad m'kay.
All forms of slavery
Then it never stopped, question is irrelevant.
Slavery never went away.
As several people in this thread have pointed out, some forms of slavery do exist in the US. For example, prison labor, sex trafficking, and other forms of coerced labor.
However we do not have chattel slavery, where you can actively buy and sell other humans as property. I would be extremely surprised if that ever made a comeback.
I'm not at all convinced this is true. My kids - one of their friend's families had a live in cook and nanny servant who they thought was likely a slave, and one of my friends said when she told her friend in passing she needed household help, the friend told her she could get her someone, that she could buy a person.
I think it's more underground but no way is it gone, not even here. I wish I could believe it was gone.
What do you think allowed for it in the past?
Worse societies and tradition.
Our society is inherently better? What about it? What about it that prevents slavery?
You didn't ask what prevents chattel slavery now. That would be the laws passed by victorious abolitionists. You asked why it happened in the past. It happened in the past because it had always existed and nobody had put a stop to it yet.
It's still happens, in the world.
Obviously. But it ain't legal, mostly.
Are you trying to be difficult? Your original post was about the US. Every reply you make you change the context.
Well their username checks out.
At this point I wouldn't be surprised if Cthulhu himself rose from Lake Michigan and started a slow trek south, gathering followers and accepting sacrifices as he goes.
You can see the bottom of lake Michigan on a clear day.
Superior he could hide in. That one is deep, though we still have nothing on lake Balakai
There are lots of legal slaves in the US. They're just in prisons so out of sight, out of mind. It's constitutionally legal.
When the government ran most prisons many would pay them a couple of dollars an hour or something to make it seem more like work. Now many for profit prisons either pay pennies an hour or nothing at all, and many require you to work either directly or by making the meals low in nutrition or completely inedible so they have to buy their real food. And this isn't like working by cleaning or laundry or whatever, this is making products that the prisons sell. Much of the stuff labeled "Made in America" is made by slaves.
There are also lots of illegal slaves hidden away. Mostly immigrants who couldn't afford the thousands of dollars to apply for legal status before their visas ran out or who were carried across the border as babies and had to hide it their whole lives or other similar circumstances.
What the fuck do you call capitalizm? Cuz it is literal slavery too.
What a stupid take. Your employer doesn't own you. If you feel you are not compensated sufficiently take your skills somewhere you will be. You have the power to make these decisions for yourself.
You don't really have those powers anymore. Maybe what Capitalizm was before wasn't capitalizm. You maybe can take your skills elsewhere is a nice thought but it really is just that. A nice thought and nothing to do with reality. Everyone is homeless and skills and education don't hold a sack of shit these days.
You may have been right back in the day but right now you're literally blind. Shit is obvious now and you can't see it. If we live long enough it will be finished off to be exactly what I'm pointing at. You're looking at my finger and telling me I'm wrong but you can't see the tsunami incoming that I'm pointing at.
Yes? What kind of stupid question is this? I'd take to the streets.
Then take to the streets. Slavery is legal in prisons.
I have been. What have you been doing about it?
Not for a second. You guys elected a ridiculously stupid fascist as your president. You'd do anything
Yes?
There are slaves, just low numbers because it's illegal. There's also a lot of working arrangements with illegal immigrants that look very similar in a bad light.
In fairness most western countries have a low level of slavery - they found some forced labour on a farm in Australia a few years back for example.
If you're asking if any US state wants to legalise slavery, it's extremely unpopular everywhere, except in a few niche pointy white hat communities.
Slavery is legal in US prisons.
Sure is and good luck changing the constitution
Yes. Would require a Constitutional amendment, those are really hard to get through.
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