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I think progressives never thought about this because we banked on immigration and demographic change allowing us to win culturally and electorally but the issue is immigrants tend to be overwhelmingly male, that is how Trump won actually he won over a lot of Hispanic,Black,Asian and indigenous men who feel humiliated by a new culture, economy and world.

So what can we do rhetorically and policy wise to win more young men over ?

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (4 children)
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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Quit trying to make young white men feel guilty for existing. I come from poor white trash. As near as I can tell, my family never benefitted from slavery in any possible way. So fuck you. I dont feel bad about something I didn't do, no one in my family did, and we aint gonna pay for it.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I don't know where this "white guilt" stuff comes from. I'm the same demo as you, but never felt that.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Oh boy you surely never were a part of the target then

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago

You are losing the class war, that's what matters. Not you being young, or white, or a man.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Promote and get behind actual progressive candidates, not corporatist shills like Hillary or Kamala. I like Kshama Sawant because she calls shit like she sees it.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago

Education. You will never be able to explain taxes in a way that can counter propaganda if the person is an idiot. You just won't. And until then it's an uphill battle.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Talk about issues that affect the working class. Not the white working class, not working class men, just everyone who makes a living by drawing a wage. Progressive movements are formed by solidarity, and we have more in common with other working class people than any of the politicians or business leaders who set the tone of this debate.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (5 children)

A good politic should not be sold.

People should chose it by themselves because that's the best thing for them.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

People regularly vote against their own interests

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

And the best way to vote against your interest is vote just by following propaganda instead of thinking by themselves what they should do.

Thinking on "how to sell" instead of "what do they need from us" (or even better "what do they tell us to do") is setting a path for people not thinking and just following propaganda, which makes them more susceptible for falling into other parties propaganda.

The path for good democracy is not enlightened despotism. Is not the representatives telling the people what to do, is the people telling representatives what to do.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That’s why it’s important to be able to convey your message so people know what you are trying to accomplish with the 2000 page bill

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (2 children)

And what if what you try to accomplish or the way you try to do it is not the way they want it done?

A common problem with the left movements these days is that they put more effort in convincing that in listening, because everyone who becomes politically active automatically thinks they know better than everyone else.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Then you don’t get elected…

What I find funny is I have the exact opposite opinion that the left spends more time trying to appeal to voters than actually communicate what they are trying to do. So we end up with things like 250B to boost American manufacturing that got completely ignored

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

Maybe no political party should have more than 5% of the votes. The fact that 50% of the population could agree on all issues doesn't feel possible to me.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

people who learn about politics think they know more about politics

Yeah no shit

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Why you change my words?

Anyway, they think they know, but they don't. They don't know better than anyone else, due the nature of politics their opinion on matters should not have any more weight than the common folk, that's why we chose democracy as a form of government anyway. If we do not believe in the fact that everyone opinion matter the samy I don't know why would we pretend it does, let's stablish an aristocracy and be done with it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Everyone's opinions don't matter the same. If I take the time and energy to understand a topic, my opinion has more weight than Joe Schmo who looked it up on Facebook. As Isaac Asimov said:

Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

We are not talking about science, we are talking about politics.

In science you can study gravity and then your opinion on how gravity works is more important than the opinion of someone who hasn't study gravity.

But we are talking about politics, politics is about what people want with their lives and how they are able to live those lives. And no matter what have you studied or how much have you studied. The biggest authority on someone's life it's always going to be that one person. You are not going to be able to know more about someone's life, their goals, their fears, their aspirations and hopes, what makes them happy what makes them sad that themselves. Because they live with themselves 24/7 you cannot "outstudy" that.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

It's true that not every question in politics has an absolute, factual answer. But some do, and there's a minimum standard of discussion below which people are just working with misinformation and will not be correct regardless of their goals.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Well it would be a good starting point if we actually had progressive politicians. The Democrats lose because they have no substantive platform for actually helping people because doing that would go against their donors. To be clear, it’s the same for Republicans. There’s a reason why the government just ping pongs between the two parties. The only reliable base either party has is the one that’s more culturally aligned with them, whatever that means at the time.

If they literally ever credibly ran on basic issues like housing, food, healthcare and the elections were fair, they would win. But they don’t, because they can’t, so they will never have consistent support.

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