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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago

Pretty much yes. If you look at a map, you'll notice that most cities, especially old (like old old) ones are next to or near water sources. There are, of course, other reasons for this as well: building a settlement by water will also give you the opportunity to use boats, for transportation and shipping. Merchant cities tend to be by seas and oceans, because transporting cargo by ships is much more efficient than by land, especially before airplanes. Then there's fishing, crop irrigation, and just that humans like bodies of water.

But also, what do you exactly mean by water bottle? Because water transportation and storage vessels have been around for quite a while, and aqueducts have been built by various civilisations across history.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The answer should be fairly obvious to anyone who's looked at an European map, there's a reason why the oldest cities are always around or near rivers. Also humans had bottle-like technologies since essentially forever, it's probably one of the first tools to be developed after "pointy stick".

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago

The “bell beaker” people and culture is a fun rabbit hole for anyone interested in ancient water carrying technologies

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

TiL that I'm early human. 1970s baby, but early human

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago

I suspect they’d include “cups, glasses, canteens, water skins, etc” in the category of “water bottles”. :p

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

You know how many things you can just find on the ground that are hollow and can hold water? Even without making shit like a waterskin, humans had ways of containing liquids to travel with.

But also: Yes. Human populations still tend to be mostly clustered around sources of drinking water. Though our ability to move water around does make it possible to live elsewhere than a natural source.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Everyone has sippy bottles now but when I was young in the late 70s we played out all day and did not drink for 7 hours at a time and no one died. Alright one person died but mainly not.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

My wife won't leave the house without several water containers as it she is crossing the god damn Sahara. We live in the North East, its not even dry! I always ask her how she survied childhood without stupid fancy bottles that are marketed. Fortunately she is patient with my crap and loves me...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I do this now and didn't have to as a kid...however, I have a weird kidney problem where my kidneys will just dump water, whether or not I have the water to spare. This means that I have a minimum water requirement of 4 liters a day. It's not as bad as when I was on a really horrible medication that started the whole issue. When I was on that medication I had to drink about 4 gallons of water a day.

End result: I have a stupid party trick where I can down a liter of fluid in about 10 seconds, and a gallon of fluid in about 5 to 10 minutes depending on how recently I've eaten. (I did give myself water poisoning once, but that took 8 gallons over about 14 hours)

Edit: Also, having multiple water bottles means I have somewhere to put all my awesome stickers!

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 weeks ago

Really?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterskin

Also, there was an ice age. Not everyone lives in scorching climates. Theres fresh water around me 247/365. As waterskins are somewhat recent probably, in terms of evolutionary history.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

You know the smell dirt makes when its wet? It's called petrichor and humans can smell it better than sharks smell blood in the water. It is detectable by the human nose at 0.4 parts per BILLION. This gave early humans a huge advantage in finding water when needed. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrichor

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

Literally called dirtblood, I love it

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago

Get dunked on, sharks.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago

There is an Indian perfume base called Mitti Attar which tries to replicate this smell. It's like damp moss at first scent, then develops into rain on hot sand. It is entrancing. Proper Mitti Attar sells for thousands and takes years to make.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago

I was trying to think of that word just a few days ago when I went outside and could smell that a storm was coming, then my ADHD kicked in an I forgot about it.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Yes, humans used to live much closer to water sources. On a town level, if you didn't have a creek or river or water somewhere nearby you just didn't settle there. Available water was absolutely necessary for agriculture, domestic animals, cooking, washing, and of course drinking. On a personal level, you would go in the morning to a central well or water source and gather your water you would need for the day. Depending on the household needs it might be multiple trips with heavy, full vessels. You would put the water in to household water vessels, like a basin for cleaning or a ewer for washing or your cook pot. If you were thirsty at home, you would take a dipper (basically a ladle) and take some water from the household supply.

Where did you get the impression we didn't used to have water bottles? They weren't made of plastic or metal but humans have carried water with them for probably as long as we've used tools. You can carry water in drinking horns, in clay pots, wooden buckets, in dried out animal bladders or leather skeins, and there's literally a type of gourd called a "bottle gourd" which has been dried out and used as a personal water bottle for milennia across any region that can grow them. Don't underestimate human ingenuity, we didn't always have access to the same technology and materials but we have always been able to problem solve.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago

Adding to this, some plants and fruits have high water content (watermelons and some cacti), so you could keep your body hydrated without drinking water. For hunter-gatherers, who could likely be on the move away from water sources, this knowledge was crucial.

More interestingly, baobabs, huge "fat" trees found throughout the African continent, can be used as water tanks

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Humans sweat. It is one of our superpowers and enables endurance hunting. Anthropologists theorize that early humans would have had to have developed water carrying technologies for this to be viable. They study primitive hunter gathers who still practice endurance hunting and they use water skins during the hunt.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

That is super cool!

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

getting water used to be a daily chore. ever hear that song "jack and jill went up the hill to fetch a pail of water?" or see the old kung fu movies where they train running water up staircases?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

Monk life is hard work!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago

Or in areas of Africa where that is still a daily chore

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago

You ever notice how every other animal manages to survive without water bottles? It was like that for most of human existence, before we figured out water skins and wooden cups and clay jugs.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Yes. Throughout history, people have almost always built their settlements close to major bodies of (fresh) water. For example, you'd be hard-pressed to find a major city anywhere in the world that doesn't have at least a stream near where it was founded, if not a full-blown river that still runs through the middle of it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

That would appear to have been founded after the invention of water bottles.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

As was Last Vegas.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Early planners took advantage of such opportunity by damming the creek

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The creek is 3 feet wide in places and can dry up during dry seasons. The "lake" is 3 feet deep. The city was founded there because the governor owned land on the bald prairie, not the river valley where the fort and city already existed. Water is piped in from a lake several miles away.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

The comment you originally replied to says

at least a stream near it ...

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Las Vegas being the exception that kind of proves the rule.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If you look at the top 10 cities, all of them have a river, except Mexico City. That’s the real outlier. Large cities require lots of water, and that city is a really weird exception.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Tenochtitlan was a "floating city", with artificial islands created on top of Lake Texcoco. Mexico City was founded on top of the ruins of the old Aztec capital and the lake was mostly drained.

To overcome the problems of drinking water, the Aztecs built a system of dams to separate the salty waters of the lake from the rain water of the effluents.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

So, essentially they’ve been relying on rain water since day one.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago

A city that's barely a hundred years old isn't really relevant when talking about history of the human race predating the invention of bottles.

Earliest glass bottles are thought to be from 1500 BC according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass_bottle. Even plastic bottles might be twice as old as Vegas according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_plastic_development but that depends on definition of plastic.

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