Asklemmy

There is anxiety associated with feeling like you're not working as hard as you think you out should be.

I might get enough downtime in a day to be boring, but split up too much to actually do any of those things. Like who tf is writing a novel between orders?

The problem was that they didn't want us doing those fun things. They wanted us to be working even when there is no work. So we all ended up pretending to work and if you've never done that before, it's unbearably boring.

Had some student jobs where I had lots of downtime, but was forbidden from doing anything other than sit there, under threat of being fired.

Everyone found ways to be on their phone, sneak in an ear bud, or read something, but I was out of the door as soon as I had found something else.

I do machine repair in the evening shift. If nothing is broken, I generally don't have much to do. They don't bitch too hard because they know if shit goes down, I'll work 16 hrs on a Saturday to get it working. I have access to a metal mill and lathe and spend a lot of down time learning and creating personal projects on it. Hell, I built a wooden bedframe and no one said a thing.

For me I feel like I'm going stagnant in my field. I need a new place with a more advanced environment.

I used to work at a gas station during the night shift. I got yelled at for reading because "I was being unproductive." Everything got done hours before my shift ended and no one in the morning ever complained. I started doing my work slower, wandered around pretending to sweep, and read in the backroom where they didn't have cameras and my manager thought I turned over a new leaf.

My job performance was considered better when I was away from my station dicking about looking busy compared to doing everything efficiently and reading while ready to deal with customers.

Because 90% of jobs don't just let you do leisure activities on the clock and doing literally anything makes time go faster than sitting around doing literally nothing.

Companies are not stupid and will rarely ever pay you to do nothing, so if you suddenly find yourself with nothing to do at work and not being handed any new projects, they are probably thinking of letting you go and it's probably time to look for a new job.

What’s wrong with reading a book, writing poetry or a novel, exercising, playing with the smartphone… and going home to enjoy your hobbies fully rested?

I tried doing these sorts of things and was punished for it. If I can’t find work to do, then the only thing I’m allowed to do is stand (not sit) at my station until something happens.

There's a big difference between like "working at a cash register with no customers, but you have to stand there looking attentive or management will yell at you" and "working from home, and I can read lemmy on downtime"

This book speaks to it better than I can: https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/david-graeber-bullshit-jobs/

Specifically take a look at

Chapter 3: Why Do Those in Bullshit Jobs Regularly Report Themselves Unhappy? (On Spiritual Violence, Part 1)

Time moves slower when I'm sitting around doing nothing. I'd rather get stuff done and see things getting built; it's satisfying. If I'm sitting around with no projects it just seems like a waste of time, and I personally don't like being inefficient.

Other guys? They love just shooting the shit.

I know work bad but if I don't keep busy, time crawls. Also, theoretically I would have bosses find me shittier jobs to do if I'm not engaged in the main thing I'm there to do.

I've never had a job that there was a lot of downtime except that time I worked for a landscaping company. My boss was chill and we smoked a ton of weed between jobs

I see a lot of posts about people becoming depressed because they feel like they have nothing to do and therefore feel useless, but I just can't relate. My last job pushed harder and harder to make sure we were busy at all times and the constant rush along with it never being enough for middle management to be happy was what made me depressed. I would have killed for downtime to actually breathe.

Personally? Sitting around too much makes me anxious and antsy, not to mention it makes the time go by really slowly. It’s hard to enjoy pastimes when you’re stuck somewhere you wouldn’t be if you had the choice. (Also, as others have mentioned, not everyone can do those leisure time activities while at work).

My work is actually a little abnormal, but we have plenty of days where we are mostly just waiting around doing nothing for 10hrs and then working really hard for two. Sometimes I do like those days, but more often than not, I enjoy keeping busy with work stuff because sometimes those 12hr days are even longer. If I sat around for the majority of that, I’d be bored out of my skull. Yeah, I can read/do a few things you mentioned, but not for that long.

I also sort of get to live inside my head while I’m working idly with my hands. It’s a little freeing for me mentally to take the load off of my “leisure” brain. I listen to music and kinda pass the time doing my job. And I actually like my job. So that’s a huge benefit.

I used to be bored at work as I had too much downtime, so I decided to just accept more duties. Was nice to be able to solve problems learn new things and it made the time go faster. But you just keep getting more and more work and responsibilities heaped on you for doing a good job, and absolutely nobody notices it until you start falling apart. Then all of a sudden people you’ve never heard of are ‘concerned’ about you. At this point I am burnt out and do even less work than when I was bored, but the difference is that it also drains me.

The lesson is to never try to work at or around full capacity. Don’t fall into the trap of being bored and deciding to take on more work.

What's wrong with reading a book, writing poetry or a novel, exercising, playing with the smartphone...

Ask your manager. They'll probably say something like "it looks untidy".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boreout

I'm still in the beginning of my programming career (maybe also the end, looking at how AI is going, lmao) and at my previous job I had fuckall to do. I spent nearly a year without a project, working basically 30 minutes a day. I quit mainly because I was afraid that when I change jobs I will have say 5 years experience on paper, but the knowledge for 1, because I've barely done anything.

Work isn't always about money, you also want to learn stuff so you can make even more money in the future. You can't really do that if you get paid to watch Youtube all day.

I have a lot of downtime and I work from home. I gained weight. I nap more though. At times I have 4 hour stretches where I'm just on call so I take a nap with my phone on my chest. That or play video games.

Two main reasons;

1. The boring reason, I get paid because someone thinks they need me, and I need that money. Not being needed is clear sign that the gig is up and when they need to balance the books my job, very reasonably, would be the one to cut.

2. The exciting reason, even when I didn't and don't again need the money there is a satisfaction to being able to build something or help others as part of larger group. Without needing to work my hobbies would just turn into grander and grander projects until I am working with others all over again.

All sorts of jobs filled me with that sense of pride that video games and movies just can't. The idea that I actually helped someone or made a difference for my community is just greater for me

The problem is that I feel like the higher ups might some day look at who is bringing in money and who doesn’t and then think „Do we even need this guy?“. I feel useless. My previous job was very toxic about this stuff. They would punish me for not having any tasks even though it’s not my fault. Which is why I always make sure to tell people when I’m not busy and even suggest things I could do. Still, I get lots of downtime between projects in my current job. I kinda got used to it but it’s always nagging on me.

But bored? No. I always find activities to do. Play with my dog, do housework, read a book, play games, take a nap,… Even days with full downtime go by very fast. But I’m at home. It would be different if I had to be in the office and look busy all the time.

Context switching is the reason why. There's "downtime" where I work at because of the times I work (night time / I believe its called a "graveyard" shift). However, its never nothing for the whole shift, its intermittent. So lets say I decided to play a game (or work on a personal project, or any other number of things) I'd have to get into the mindset of whatever I'm doing, then see that a ticket has come in, switch my mindset back, answer the ticket and perform the work required for the ticket... and then switch back again.

As @toomanypancackes said in their reply, I honestly just either want to go back to bed, or not have to worry about work and do my own thing (uninterrupted). Those aren't options unfortunately, so I'm just left to be in that weird purgatory of "There's not a lot of work to be done, but there's some every so often... so I can't completely go away". I prefer it over it being absolutely slammed with tickets because that's just exhausting.

Every so often I'll put on a rerun of a show since it doesn't matter if I "get into" the show or not, but actually doing something significant isn't usually an option unless its actually dead during my hours.

In the late 1980s, I had a roommate who graduated with a business degree and got recruited for a government contractor right out of college. She packed up her life and moved to the DC area. A month into her new job, the contract was pulled. But because she had a clause in the recruitment contract, they couldn't fire her. But they had no work for her, either. So she had to come to work every weekday, 9-5. She'd sit at her desk with nothing to do. They didn't ask her to look busy, just present.

She read about 3-5 novels a week. Over the next few months, we watched her get more and more depressed. She'd complain about her situation, but it fell on deaf ears. "Must be nice," people said in jealousy. "Get paid to do nothing." She became despondent in the lack of people's sympathy. "Nobody understands how much this sucks!"

Eventually, she got a new job. Her mood vastly improved.

I'll never forget that lesson. People need to feel useful, productive. Sitting at a desk with nothing to do, no purpose, no validation. It will destroy you.

All I want to do is go back to bed. I can't do that, so I have to sit there twiddling my thumbs and occasionally refreshing my case load to see if there's something to do yet. I still prefer it to actually working because I don't have to think as hard, but it is pretty boring.

A lack of responsibility and feeling like your work is pointless is pretty much the biggest drive of depression

Imagine you're only working ten minutes out of every hour, but it's in the form of one minute out of every six. You can't read, you can't study, you can't watch youtube and having to switch gears every few minutes leaves you exhausted at the end of the day.