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Microsoft won't update your Windows 11 PC if it has these apps (www.xda-developers.com)

submitted 10 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 68 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

This stops Windows 11 from blocking the installation and lets you get the app back onto your PC. We're not sure if Microsoft has fixed this trick, but it's worth a shot if you want to keep using your favorite apps.

That's mildly distopian.

This prevents your car from shutting itself off when trying visit certain areas on the map. We're not sure if car manufacturers have fixed this trick, but it's worth a shot if you want to keep going to your favorite places.

And only a little tiny bit adversarial.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

I do have 3 of it 😁

[–] [email protected] 213 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

So, wait, Mocrosoft is finally giving us a way to fully-disable automatic Windows Updates?

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Can't you disable SmartSense or whatever bullshit there is that scans ~~apps~~ programs when they're installed?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

Probably but they certainly don't want you to know that and almost certainly will say that you can't.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 10 months ago (8 children)

I was already dubious about upgrading from 10 to 11 and this is final straw. I will have to look at Linux options and see if my Windows-only programs will run effectively under WINE.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

In the article all apps mentioned are very old versions. I just don't understand, how exactly this was a final straw for you?

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago (26 children)

I'm fucking out. I do a lot of basic IT work, including many fresh installs and new domain users, and I am so godamn sick of having to go through 5 dialogues every single time I open edge. For the local account. Then the domain admin account. Then the domain user account. Fuck this company.

As soon as I can afford to get an AMD GPU or do a swap with someone for my 1070, I'm gone. I used to love computers, but dealing with windows even on a home PC with no "problems", it just feels like more work.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I'm sure you're aware of it already, but WineHQ provides a good overview over which software runs well under WINE. :)

[–] [email protected] 21 points 10 months ago (2 children)

If they're games, protondb (.com) will tell you how well you can expect them to run. Other stuff, it's often a case of search the web or try and see. Wine takes some getting used to, you'll probably have to get your hands dirty and do a little learning.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Check out alternativeto.net

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 10 months ago (10 children)

Imagine not being able to upgrade your Linux because you have modified YOUR system to suit YOUR needs. Fuck them...

[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I mean, if you've done something affecting upgrade paths - possible.

Also I broke a FreeBSD ufs partition once while upgrading OpenBSD. I thought I'm very smart having that added into disklabel, and it would successfully mount read-only. Well, there were some actions to upgrade OpenBSD's own ufs partitions, so - I don't really remember whether I could restore any data, TBF. I think I could still mount that read-only from OpenBSD, but not from FreeBSD.

But that's about things being really broken.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Well, I have two of those. I guess I'll just go fuck myself than, huh?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (2 children)

DeskModder noted that it wasn't as simple as blocking an app based entirely on its name; for example, while VLC is listed in the big list of services and apps that are disallowed, it's specifically listing a Windows 7 version of VLC.

Sounds like Windows has a problem with really old versions only. I guess you should be fine as long as you keep your apps relatively fresh.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Excuse me what

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago (3 children)

It looks like they break Microsoft's update mechanism somehow, and Microsoft won't work around it. If it's because they'd have to make special cases just for one app I get it, but it doesn't seem like that's what's happening.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 10 months ago (3 children)

they break Microsoft’s update mechanism somehow

Microsoft’s update mechanism breaks Microsoft’s update mechanism.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

But really, there's Microsoft apps in that list.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Microsoft's update mechanism is just fucking awful trash, they should replace it with downloading an archive and unpacking it.

They seem to think they are very smart with all those binary deltas, but it appears to be so complex that nobody inside that company understands it fully, and that's for more than 10 years.

Apparently people responsible for creating it still work there in important places, can't find another explanation.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

There were so many times that updating Win7 was a nightmare. I used to do plenty of fresh installs on various PCs and I would have to wait a day or sometimes more to get the OS up to date. I would have thought we moved past this by now.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Definitely not. Sometimes you even have to install additional bloatware like "HP support assistant" for example to complete the update process because the built-in update system is dysfunctional af.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

Hmm... I'll have to look for these applications. Some of them seem ubiquitous.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Why?

[–] [email protected] 27 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I assume because said apps and drivers break if the OS is updated.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

That's what I assumed but why would an is update break WO many things are they deprecating parts of the windows kernel?

[–] [email protected] 118 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

Full list from this comment on another thread: https://lemmy.ca/comment/8470544

ConisioAdmin.exe (Solidworks PDM)

EaseUS Disk Copy.exe (EaseUS Disk Copy Application)

ep_dwm.exe (ExplorerPatcher) Included since 22H2

iCloudServices.exe (iCloud files shared in Explorer via WhatsApp) from 23H2

RadeonSoftware.exe (AMD GPU perf settings) from23H2

StartAllBackCfg.exe (StartAllBack) Included since 22H2

Multi-mon + Copilot (Microsoft)

MergeSdb (Microsoft)

Intel IntcOED.sys (Intel)

Intel IntcAudioBus.sys (Intel) (%WinDir%\System32\drivers\IntcAudioBus.sys)

Realtek 8192su Wireless USB 2.0 Adapter (Realtek) (%WinDir%\System32\drivers\RTL8192su.sys)

[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago

Will it stop asking me to upgrade every month if I have one of these installed? I might need to get one just for that.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

Hmm, interesting, do these all have explorer integrations? I know even a couple year's old SolidWorks PDM does not work with Windows 11 because of the way it integrates with Windows explorer. a couple of the other apps there modify/integrate into explorer as well.

[–] [email protected] 89 points 10 months ago (2 children)

They won't give you updates if you have radeon software or intel config tool?

[–] [email protected] 39 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The article says it's only a specific Win7 version of VLC that's blocked, so maybe that's the case with these also.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago (10 children)

Ok, so a newer version should be fine I guess. If that’s the case, the title should be: “If you’re still running these prehistoric software, Windows won’t be able to update“

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