They mean Catholics and Protestants but they're morons and their religious leaders have convinced them that Catholics are somehow not Christians.
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just about every christian I know sees other sects and offshoots as a separate religion. it's very sneech-like.
Catholics believe in a religious hierarchy, Cardinals, bishops, Pope e.t.c.
Christians USUALLY think hierarchy in religion is almost blasphemous. But really it's just so they can kinda just do whatever the fuck they want and not worry about the Pope excommunicating them.
Discrimination and division are like 99% of what religion is about.
same shit different pile?
Jesse, WTF are you talking about
I've never heard the phrase Catholic and Christians before. Catholic vs Protestant maybe.
I worked with a Southern Baptist guy who legitimately thought Catholic aren't real Christians.
I have no idea how he thought Southern Baptism is somehow more Christian than the much much older version.
Ketchup and condiments
I was raised evangelical protestant in the USA, at some point attending both Seventh-day Adventist and Pentacostal churches. My mother did not consider my Catholic grandparents to be Christians, based on her belief that one cannot be saved by confession/prayer to a saint or clergy instead of directly to Christ. As many other have said, this is not the mainstream definition.
Protestants came about at the same time printing and reading became more common. People came to understand the bible better. They found that their local priest or Catholic church wasn't representing the bible very well. Some priests couldn't read and were just making it up.
Catholics practice many things that go against the teachings in the bible. They worships false profits (saints, Mary, popes, etc). They practice religion with lots of ceremony and publicity. They also acted as gatekeepers to God, despite Jesus talking about having a personal relationship with God.
The Catholic church was caught out and many people were unhappy with it. So they left it in protest. Hence protestant being used to describe these new enlightenment era Christians.
A protestant would not think that leaving the Catholic church is abandoning God. They would have to see it as the right path to follow God. It's not consistent for a protestant to say they follow the teachings of Christ and the Catholic church is Christian. Any protestant saying Catholics are Christian hasn't put a great deal of thought into it. However, it would be appropriate for someone studying, categorising or discussing religions to call both Catholics and Protestant's Christians.
There is also a long history of discrimination between Catholics and Protestants. Protestants country's retained more of their own wealth and political decision making. Protestantism was more successful in places where literacy was higher. Both these factors lead to protestant countries being wealthier, more prosperous and lead to earlier and more successful industrialisation. This created the situation that many people were immigrants from Catholic countries to protestant ones. Like today, they faced discrimination. The religious difference of the incoming immigrants heightened the conflict. This also made it easier for people in both religions to see it as separate and different.
Catholic my nuts
You are correct, Catholics are a subset of Christianity... But similarly how people assume a "doctor" is a medical practitioner, Christians has become the informal name for "Protestant" or "evangelicals"
Basically "Christians" tend to mean, anything not "Catholic" (which is old school, visibly indistinguible from others in the Christendom)
Basically "Christians" tend to mean, anything not "Catholic"
This is insanity. This is a purely American thing.
Wow. Zero information.
But if Eastern Orthodox counts as "Christian" while Catholicism doesn't, that destroys the reasoning. If Eastern Orthodox doesn't count, then you're just referring to Protestants.
I don't think there's any explanation other than anti-Catholic bias, Protestants just want to claim their way of doing Christianity is the only way.
I don't really know all the details dude... My answer was just based on observations I have made in America (north and south)
I do not think Eastern Orthodox counts as "Christians" either btw
In any case, there may be no logical reason as I believe it is just a matter of misuse of the terms... Exactly how an "American" is interpreted as "from the USA" and not "from any country in the American continent" which is actually the meaning
Think of it as two different tribes
Catholics and Protestants are two different tribes. They're all Christians.
Yeah, but protestants in this country have such a historied animosity that catholics kind of ceded the term in certain contexts
Schism was the very first thing the Christian church learned to do.
Christian was the case that they gave me
because historically lumping protestants and catholics together has not ended well.
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