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saying that you have nothing to hide, is like saying that even though you've committed no crimes, you aren't nervous or scared, when experiencing a lawsuit for example.
It's like being put in proximity to a violent gang and not being scared because you have no ties to them.
OK so I'm a privacy advocate. I'm pro privacy, pro simplicity and accessibility for none techies. I'm pro Snowden and everything.
there is no evidence for this attribution. You can often find it in reader comments and on social media with the source: “Goebbels, speech on the introduction of the GeStaPo 1933”. There was no such speech, nor was there an “Introduktion der Gestapo”, an expression that is completely unusual in German.
I think you are focusing on the wrong part of the post if that is your takeaway from it.
No if it's misinformation trying to sell a feeling rather than facts it's actually the right thing to focus on. As I said, it's not like I'm defending the argument, that you have nothing to hide yada yada, I'm not the guy that needs convincing, I'm already trying to convince others.
He goes on to say that privacy is the foundation of all other rights.
Also the actual idea that "if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear" is bullshit seems to be quite importance.
Whether you realise it or not, you are implying that because he got the source of the quote wrong, everything else he said is not worth listening to. That somehow he is invalidated as a source for EVERYTHING HE SAYS because of this one thing.
Which most peoplew ould fundametnally disagree with.
Well I already said multiple times, I'm not arguing against privacy, but the fact this whole post wraps around "i didnt know the origin of the quote" and its not only false but also he apparently didn't even make that claim in the first place is baffling to me. There are one million and two good arguments for privacy and against the stupidity of the nothing to hide reply, but spreading emotionally manipulative misinformation to create an artificial feeling of a deadbeat argument is not the right approach.
I don't get why you put so much effort into shifting the view away from half the content of the post instead of just admitting to misinformation or sending sources. There are people out there that see text on a picture with, Snowden interview in the back and actually think it's legit information. It's necessary to highlight fact from fiction so people don't get a wrong sense of reality, which is a problem we are currently facing across the globe.
my friend who is ex military, has a smart house built around amazon Alexa said he had nothing to hide, when i rebuffed with how that phrase has nazi ties he'd gone white.
propaganda is an amazingly powerful thing all you need is a catchy sentence and itll will be repeated years after.
Just look at this comment from @squid_[email protected]
the quite had been used by authoritarian regimes, as i understand it the Nazi's didn't use the direct quite as they don't speak English and things don't translate but they did say and depict similar sentiments.
not to say your wrong as your not just saying that using Nazis as a vehicle to get the point across isn't completely dishonest, usually best to use a more broad approach like "authoritarian regimes" rather than Nazis
There is no evidence of this speech nor of Göbbels coining the phrase in any way. It's not a language barrier problem.
Yea and now your putting words in my mouth. Take it easy
[...] as i understand it the Nazi's didn't use the direct quite as they don't speak English and things don't translate but they did say and depict similar sentiments.
This is the part I replied to.
okay so where did you mentioning Göbbels come from, or a speech. in my original response to you tagging me i had not mentioned Göbbels or a speech but rather than a normal dialogue you put words i had never said in my mouth.
In my original debate I did not tag you because I had the debate with you, but because I used your comment as reference to bring my point across why misinformation crafted like that can fire pretty quick. People will trust a privacy related meme with a text on it and unrelated Snowden interview in the back. The only thing that I brought up to you is what I brought up replying directly to your comment.
the chat with my ex military friend was months ago and this misinformation has been commonly miss-attributed to Nazi propaganda, also i was not saying your wrong rather that most authoritarian regimes have used similar sentiments to meet the same end. in my original comment i had agreed with you and reading prior through this thread i would commend but its frustrating when someone misses the point of my response.
Because it is one phrase in one part of one frame of the entire post.
Yeah it's wrong. Plenty of people have pointed it out already (you appear to have read the entire thread so you cannot have missed the fact other people have pointed it out as well).
But, as I said, to suggest that that is the most important part of the interview -- he fucked up and that is ALL WE MUST PAY ATTENTION TO -- is.......... just wrong. It is, quite frankly, something the NSA would have us to do discredit everything else he says.
Also there are quotes from three or four other people in the entire length of the post. All of which I am pretty sure are accurately sourced. Unless you think Terry Pratchett stole his work from Stalin.
It's actually two frames and the title of the entire post that points to this conclusion, so yeah... Why are you coming at me with these straw man arguments that the NSA would and take into consideration I believe Terry Pratchett stole from Stalin. What does that have to so with the fact that the claim is neither correct 'nor did he actually say that in the interview.
I have not read every comment, but I'm thrilled seeing your debate there. I'm going to look into it.
Edit: Haha "plenty of people" dude why are you so butthurt and offended about it?
Piracy is the foundation of all other rights - that's a good line.
Yar, now that be a truth fer all ears!
If the NSA has nothing to hide, they have nothing to fear from Snowden
Proper uno reverse
my friend who is ex military, has a smart house built around amazon Alexa said he had nothing to hide, when i rebuffed with how that phrase has nazi ties he'd gone white.
propaganda is an amazingly powerful thing all you need is a catchy sentence and itll will be repeated years after.
"... A great, rolling sea of evil. Shallow in some parts, yes, but deeper... oh, so much deeper in others. But men like you build these little rafts out of rules and vaguely good intentions and you say 'This is the opposite. This will triumph in the end.' Fascinating."
-Vetinari to Vimes
Paraphrased from the top of my head haha sorry if I've mucked it up. God what a character Vimes is. I do believe he also quoted guilty of thinking something like "everyone is guilty of something if you could only find out what," so maybe not a paragon of privacy in every iteration but a fantastic character nonetheless. Certainly gotta be among the best cops in fiction, considering he also nearly won a sort of people's revolution haha.
Just because the picture lacks quite a few pixels, I'm gonna leave this here for better legibility.
Commander Vimes didn't like the phrase 'The innocent have nothing to fear', believing the innocent had everything to fear, mostly from the guilty but in the longer term even more from those who say things like 'The innocent have nothing to fear'.
And I checked and the quote you remembered was from "Night Watch", published in 2002.
Everyone was guilty of something. Vimes knew that. Every copper knew that. That was how you maintained your authority.
But luckily Vimes isn't a fascist deep down, so it's more referring to the general psyche and not actually implying everyone is officially criminal
Or, you know, click on the image, right click and say "Open in a new tab" (or just click on it again), then click on it a third time and it will open in a magnified form.
Then you will be able to view it with as many pixels as you want.
I think our mobiles have different resolutions.
not actually implying everyone is officially criminal
It's Ankh-Morpork, I think canonically only Carrot isn't a criminal in that town
Thanks for finding that stuff! Yeah I suppose that "everyone was guilty of something" line just didn't age well for me. You're right that Vimes is certainly no fascist, especially given the other events in Night Watch.
Easy way to shut up any idiot: If you got nothing to hide, gimme all your passwords, also all the info on your credit cards.
Don't forget to pinky promise that you will not do anything bad with those information and you will keep it secure.
I usually ask if they also shit with the door open on a public restroom, since they got nothing to hide.
Uhhhh, I fucking looove Discworld! GNU Terry Pratchett.