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[–] [email protected] 39 points 7 months ago

Never thought I'd take the side of an insurance company.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago (2 children)

That's a funny definition of 'accident'.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

"Constable official vocab guidelines state we longer refer to these incidents as 'accidents', they're now 'collisions'...Accident implies there's nobody to blame."

  • Sergeant Nicholas Angel, Hot Fuzz
[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

I remember in primary school, an actual police officer told us pretty much the same thing during one of those road safety classes. Road traffic collisions are almost never accidents, always incidents.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

This. Most collisions aren't accidents. Most incidents are from reckless behavior.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

I'd be a bit worried if this isn't someone who's just being sarcastic.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 7 months ago (11 children)

I legitimately don't get people who can't drive. It's actually ridiculously simple to not break the law or get in an accident. I've never had a ticket or been in an accident. Closest was I slid on ice and hopped a curb once, but there was no damage at all because, get this, I was driving slow enough for the bad weather conditions :0

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Let us accept that these people exist. They are one of the many reasons walking, biking, bussing, and train riding should all viable as main modes of transportation. If your town is too small for a train, leave that out. If it's too small for a bus, leave that out. Ain't nobody's town too small for good walking and biking layout and design. We did it naturally right up until we got hooked on cars.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I totally agree and fully encourage people to not drive whenever possible. Most of the truly stupid drivers won't do that though

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I don't have the gross motor coordination to safely operate a car. I could probably drive one remotely with a controller, but I can't make the full-body motions needed to press pedals and steer with my arms at the same time.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

I was obviously not referring to people with medical conditions. The average able-bodied person should be able to safely operate a vehicle without causing an accident.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

I haven't driven in decades. It's something I'm terrified of. Luckily I've lived in dense urban areas so even well before Uber/Lyft there was always plenty of public transit and cab stands everywhere.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 7 months ago (10 children)

It’s actually ridiculously simple to not break the law or get in an accident.

Driving a car is absurdly difficult, incredibly dangerous, takes only a second of distraction to kill yourself and others and in general is such a nightmare that it is contrary to what you say a miracle that people aren’t crashing into each other all the damn time.

Like, everybody I have gotten in a car with for the past 10 years invariably will get stressed out significantly by the unavoidable chaos of driving enough to visibly become emotional about it even during a short drive. Driving is miserable.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago (10 children)

Driving a car is absurdly difficult, incredibly dangerous, takes only a second of distraction to kill yourself and others

Yes and no.

It seems that most people are falsely convinced (or even peer-pressured to some extent) that you must drive at the speed limit or even above it. But you actually don't have to. You must adjust your speed for weather conditions, road conditions, traffic intensity, surrounding safety infrastructure (or lack of it) and your skills and current condition.

It seems that learning how to choose your speed is missing from most driving courses worldwide. Sometimes, road maintenance provides some advice on that, for example in France you have different speed limits for wet/dry road. But in other cases drivers ignore that guidance - sometimes highway speed limit is lowered due to lack of hard shoulder or animal fences but very few people understand that and most just ignore the limit.

And then there's your own condition - if you're tired, slow down, your kids are crying in the back, slow down, you're on new road, slow down, have a gut feeling, slow down!

What you're describing is actually mostly a case for driving too fast for given conditions. Even if you're not speeding but you can't read and comprehend signs, road, other cars, pedestrians and navigation - you're driving too fast, slow down.

So I think both your and OP's comments boil down to attention. As long as you remember essential driving rules and pay attention to road, surroundings and those rules it's difficult to cause an accident. But if your attention is slipping then it's a slippery slope.

And if you observe that you often struggle to pay attention to one of those things, you should review your actions and skills and apply necessary corrections.

Driving is easy in a way that it's schematic and there are not many rules compared to say aviation. But it's not mindless! You must think about your skills, capabilities and your state of mind and act according to those. In aviation pilots do thorough risk assessment before and during flight, and drivers should do that as well. What makes driving easier than flying is that when you identify the risk as too high you can just slow down or stop.

So to summarise. For God's sake SLOW DOWN! It saves lives.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (4 children)

I never said it didn't suck, but it only sucks because other people are terrible drivers. It isn't absurdly difficult at all unless you're incredibly incompetent.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I never said it didn’t suck, but it only sucks because other people are terrible drivers.

This is the least important reason driving sucks is because other people aren’t perfect at driving. The reasons driving sucks:

-1. There are wayyyyy too many cars on the road

-2. In order to try to solve 1, the entire landscape has been devoted to facilitating more and more cars which makes it depressing as fuck to go anywhere because where you are going is functionally the same as where you came from.

-3. Owning a car is absurdly stressful, massively stressful so everybody on the road at a minimum is stressed about making sure their car doesn’t fall apart and they can’t get to work.

-4. People spend massive chunks of their lives sitting in cars commuting to work for almost no reason, highways are filled with people everyday stopping and starting, stopping and starting over and over again in traffic using fossil fuels to move several thousand pound objects miles and miles all for nothing.

It isn’t absurdly difficult at all unless you’re incredibly incompetent

-5. This bring me to my last point. Just because it isn’t physically difficult to press the gas and brake pedals on a car and use the steering wheel doesn’t mean driving is easy in the slightest. It is one of the most difficult things human beings have ever been expected to do on a daily basis in terms of extreme life ending consequences for losing attention or control for only the briefest of moments. It isn’t hard to drive a car compared to say riding a horse, but driving a car is so mind numbingly frustrating and exhausting in modern life that there is a good chance one day you won’t be paying attention when that freak rare situation occurs and you need to respond instantly in order to not hit another several thousand pound object hurtling towards you with fragile humans inside (not to mention humans everywhere on the street, barely an arms length from your metal box traveling at lethal speeds).

Driving is extremely difficult, look at how stupendously self driving cars have failed to tackle the challenge even when we created AI opponents that can easily beat the best Go players in the world years ago. The fact that wayyyyyy more accidents don’t happen all the time is actually pretty incredible in terms of the daily volume of sustained, unbroken focus it takes from every single person driving to prevent more crashes.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (6 children)

I can agree with some of your response to what was said by the other commenter, but my impression is that person was shocked that someone at a young age has been involved in double digit accidents that mostly sound like their fault. Some people really just are incapable of driving, though that shouldn't diminish that small lapses or true accidents do happen.

I would disagree that driving in general is miserable, though I'm sure this can vary by location. While i would prefer better access to efficient public transit (live in the USA), being able to get in a car and go anywhere is pretty freeing, provided it isn't during high volume times, especially on a freeway.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

being able to get in a car and sit in traffic anywhere is pretty freeing

Fixed that for youuu

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

That's why i added not high volume times, so what i meant was regarding specifically driving when you aren't stuck in traffic. I'm suggesting that the act of driving itself isn't normally a horrific experience, though yes, sitting in traffic is awful.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

i have never been in a serious accident. over 30 years driving, probably 2/3 of it in major metro areas with notably terrible traffic, and i have had maybe 5 fender benders... i would have to really think about it.

driving is absolutely dangerous and terrifying. but wow, it's kinda nuts that the person in the screenshot has had so many accidents!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I can totally understand, and that makes a lot of sense. I think the sheer volume of accidents in the post are what's so shocking. I've only been in a vehicle with an obviously reckless driver two times (so far. And to clarify, two people, once each), and from my perspective, some people really shouldn't drive. Heck, one of those two times was supposed to be a casual date (she was picking me up, we were in college), and i asked her to drop me off immediately. Big nope.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Also, an accident is just a matter of time / miles. You can be the most careful driver in the world and a car can pull in front of you on the freeway and come to a dead stop. You'll hit them from behind and the insurance company will blame you.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I legitimately don’t get people who can’t drive.

Setting aside folks with serious disabilities, folks with long term mental decline, folks with mechanical difficulties, folks with rambunctious kids in the back seats, folks in neighborhoods with high speed limits and generally unsafe driving conditions, folks who have to drive through inclement weather, folks who don't regularly maintain their car's brakes and tires, folks who drive cars that have poor visibility (big trucks, particularly), and folks who just never learned rules of the road before getting a rubber stamp from a DMV that does not give a shit...

It's difficult to understand why other people don't drive as well as I do.

One sec. Sorry. Banging this out on my phone while driving and I had a whoopsie-doodle. Let me clean this up and I'll finish my post.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Ok so obviously if you have a medical condition that makes you unsafe to drive, you shouldn't drive. If you don't maintain your car that's entirely on you. If you choose a car with poor visibility you're purposefully endangering everyone around you so you shouldn't drive. If you don't understand the rules, you certainly shouldn't be allowed to drive but that's a whole separate issue.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Not everybody has a choice or an option, there are so many places in the US where the place you live absolutely necessitates the use of a car to do literally anything related to living your life. Living in places with actual transit infrastructure that allow independence from cars are sometimes too expensive or have high COL's

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Yes I'm well aware, I live in one of those areas.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago

4.8 rating on Lyft

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