ACAB
this post was submitted on 16 Jun 2025
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The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.
99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.
When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.
When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."
When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.
Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.
The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.
All this is a path to a police state.
In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.
Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.
That's the solution.
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The real answer is anytime you see ICE acting extra-judicially call the police to report masked armed men trespassing and assaulting people.
Be vague. You don’t know who they are, they look suspicious, they look like they are about to commit a crime, this could be an active shooter/crime in progress , pointed a gun at you…. You know facts.
And if they won't show proof of being police, bite the face. It really makes them think twice.
God damn, people. Didn't masked ICE agents snatch the New York City Comptroller and the migrant who had showed up for a hearing from the center of a heavily policed immigration court? Did anyone on the NYPD try and stop them?
You can see a local police officer in the fucking headline image. He's holding back the press and letting masked ICE agents do as thou wilt. If the local PD won't stick their necks out for a municipal senior official, what are the odds they're going to do it for you?
This, after a sitting US Senator was arrested during a press conference? Who are you fooling?
Still recommending it because if the pigs show up and kill the pigs everyone wins.
That's not how it works. If local cops show up, they only assist ICE. The NYPD in this photo were Brad Lander's (Elected official being kidnapped) entourage. When ICE turned on him, they held the press back from ICE and then the senior member of their group cooperated with ICE and left the building alongside them and Lander. No asking for ID, no asking for a warrant from them, zero resistance, only assistance.
If the Dems want to actually exercise their right to resist a kidnapping they should be showing up with private security, or exercising their own 2A rights (Something that pretty much only politicians and friends of cops can do in NYC because NYPD gets constitutionally-questionable veto power on gun permits). But I'm guessing that is exactly what the Trump regime is waiting for. They will send in the national guard once that happens.
Didn't they already send in the national guard and marines into L.A.? I don't think he feels the need to wait for us to actually start shooting these thugs.
Great point
Good comment . I was being too flippant.
How does this post even make sense in this community? literally written in the sidebar:
The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.
This is a SLIGHTLY different case than what the sidebar mentions.
Yes, asking asking the police to investigate themselves is a non-starter.
This post is advocating turning the state/local police against ICE, a federal agency.
I agree, it's unlikely to make a difference. But if you call 9-1-1 and report "Masked men in an unmarked car just kidnapped someone", it's way different from asking internal affairs to investigate another cop.
Thank you for responding. While I don't agree I can see your reasoning and appreciate your approach of communicating it in a transparent way.
After making the comment we ended up with a live example. LAPD escorting CBP off the grounds of Dodger Stadium. So local pressure CAN be applied.
This post is advocating turning the state/local police against ICE, a federal agency.
More than 600 local police agencies are partnering with ICE: See if yours is one of them
They use FUD against us.
Perhaps we can too?
Nah who'm I kidding
The ICE and Police are more organised while kidnapping people than they would be when trying to arrest an actual criminal.
I love living in Illinois.
So, just generating reports?
Establishing a paper trail for subsequent investigations, yes.
investigations
By whom?
When an employee is investigated by hr that’s the company investigating itself and people get fired that way.
I've been wondering how does stand your ground work with a force of people not identifiable with guns. There is no way to know if someone is an ICE agent or an impersonator. It doesn't help the police literally just feel for one themselves with the recent murder.
This question depends enormously on what state you are in, and a bunch of other factors that im simply not going to discuss here because i am not a lawyer and I dont want this taken as legal advice.
Now, in Indiana (the state I live in) you are only really allowed to respond with a proportional response. But the nice thing about "a proportional response" is that it doesn't mean you can only use a gun if they have a gun. If you, or someone else, is in immediate danger you are allowed to use your firearm. This would also apply in something like a robbery (even if they aren't armed), or in a SA case. I would imagine "I/someone else was being kidnapped" could be a good defense. And in Indiana cops are not excluded from stand your ground or castle laws.
Now another thing that I think people get wrong is that castle and stand your ground laws are usually not actual laws, but more of a framework built around case precedent. So if you use your gun, you will still be arrested and have to go through a trial which I personally think is a good thing. It's kinda like fair use, it's a widely accepted defense and there's a bunch of precedent about it, but there is no actual laws saying what is an isn't fair use.
But again, I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice. And tbh, I'm a little more pro-gun than a lot of leftists and IMO blasting and going to jail is significantly better than what could happen if you get kidnapped.
Its quite simple
you = 2 if color == "white" else 0
masked_gunman = 100 if job == "cop" else 1
if you > masked_gunman :
print("The justice system works!")
else:
print("Life without parole")
you = 2 if color == "white" else 0 masked_gunman = 100 if job == "cop" else 1
if you > masked_gunman : print("The justice system works!") else: print("Life without parole")
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You ever notice how they stand with their hands covering their badges and name plates?
domestic terrorism
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