@bonesofthemoon do you have personal experience with sovereign citizens?
this post was submitted on 01 Feb 2024
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That QR code actually work by the way and site it sends you to reveals all the info that was blocked out
If it expires in the year 9999, why would she get a second one just about 2 months later?
So...she renounced her US citizenship?
Yes! They go on this crazy website called Copper Moonshine Distillers and they buy fake passports and "renounce" their citizenship.
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She might have tried, but it's not easy or cheap to do so.
You have to prove your own nationality of another country and also pay your tax bill before the US Gov will let you expatriate. So for a few years you'll end up paying double taxes to do it. Wherever you're trying to gain nationality and taxes in the US.
https://www.goldinglawyers.com/how-to-expatriate/
From the article is pasted below
If a U.S. citizen seeks to renounce their citizenship without proving that they have citizenship in another country, they are referred to as “stateless” and may not be approved for expatriation.
Generally, the U.S. citizen will travel to a foreign consulate and submit Department of State forms 4079-4083. The U.S. citizen will also undergo an exit interview — and most consulates require that the U.S. citizen to return back to the consulate after the initial appearance for the second interview/meeting, either as a cooling-off period and/or an opportunity for the consulate officer to review the paperwork. Different consulates handle this process “differently” depending on which foreign country the expatriation takes place. At the end of the process, once the expatriate has been approved for expatriation, the citizen will receive a stamped form DS-4083, which is referred to as a certificate of loss of nationality.
No, you don't. Most countries require you to have citizenship in another country before renouncing your citizenship. The US is not one of them. Americans have the right to make themselves stateless if they choose.
They will warn you that becoming stateless is a bad idea, but they won't stop you. Per the state department's website:
Persons who contemplate renunciation of U.S. nationality should be aware that they will experience a great deal of hardship unless they already possess a foreign nationality or are assured of acquiring another nationality shortly after completing their renunciation. In the absence of a second nationality, those individuals would become stateless. As stateless persons, they would not be entitled to the protection of any government. They might also find it difficult or impossible to travel as they would probably not be entitled to a passport from any country. Furthermore, a person who has renounced U.S. nationality will be required to apply for a visa to travel to the United States, just as other aliens do. If found ineligible for a visa, a renunciant could be barred from the United States. Renunciation of American nationality does not necessarily prevent a former national’s deportation from a foreign country to the United States as an alien.
If you don't want to be considered stateless, also you need to pass your exit interview. Both require citizenship in another country
Furthermore, a person who has renounced U.S. nationality will be required to apply for a visa to travel to the United States, just as other aliens do. If found ineligible for a visa, a renunciant could be barred from the United States.
But where would they deport you to? Antarctica? The ocean? The moon?
A person who is a national of the United States whether, by birth or naturalization, shall lose his nationality by voluntarily...
making a formal renunciation of nationality before a diplomatic or consular officer of the United States in a foreign state
You have to be outside the US to renounce. Deportation is not the US's problem.
But yes, that's one of the big issues of statelessness they can't send you back anywhere.
Edit: second half the quote was not formatted as a quote. fixed
Interesting. I wonder what they would do with someone who renounced citizenship while outside of the US, but then somehow smuggled their way back in.
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The airline doesn't allow you onto the plane. The US doesn't allow you off of the ship. And God help you if you think you're getting through the Mexican border.
Either direction!
Ok but assuming you're in the US to begin with. Do you get to stay for lack of a place to banish you to?
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Why even have an expiration date if it's set to year 9999.
It will still expire then, so it isn't even valid at year 10000.
If it was blank, it would be less reassuring. And the whole point of the "document" is to make the recipient feel more comfortable. It includes all the magic words specific to this "secret trick" that means you don't have to worry any more now that you paid us your money.
Until of course they try to actually use it for anything. Then it pretty immediately stops being comforting. They must have accidentally got one of the words wrong or something, so they order a new one that is slightly different because someone showed them that one and it for sure has all the right words on it and it will definitely work. You can relax again.
They really do seem to think saying the right words is like casting a spell on the federal government
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Remember Q? Yeah. Good times, good times.
Fucking Lancaster. Checks out.
Meth, Amish, and the Klan. Oxford is like the result of some demented game of cosmic Mad Libs.
"... So everything will smell like cat pee and horse manure, and the farmers wear strawhats and grow dogs, and the primary religion is racism."
No different than where I live, although it immediately brings to mind, I never see any buggies or horse or mule in the store parking lots, so how did they get there?! I doubt they walked, that would be a few days’ walk.
Amish people can hire people to drive them around. Amish contractors sometimes have their own trucks, and use them to interact with the English.
Thank you!
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To anyone wondering how you grow dogs: Amish puppy mills.
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I mean, if these suckers are just waving their wallets around looking for someone to make an object to codify their insane beliefs into a physical object to kake themselves feel more secure and proud... why is this any different to selling gold crucifixes?
Well, for one gold has intrinsic value (or at least some value in any other context.)
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