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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

He wants to make us a multi transport mode species.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago

It's stupider than I thought reading the headline. That car started driving down the fing tracks

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Every thing seems to turn to shit

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

To be fair it is a Tesla. It started out as shit.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Yup, but the control mechanisms are going to shit, because it sounds like they are going to maybe do a half assed rollout :)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago

It started out promising, then was consigned to be shit when Elon swore off LIDAR. If he kept his shitty little hands away from management and let the engineers do their thing, it could've been great.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

How could the left do this /s

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Next up: "Train is a communistic tool to restrict vehicular freedom. Banish trains! More highways!"

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

This is unironically something I've heard people argue about public transport in general, that its a tool to control people's movement.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

Just one more lane, bro!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago

Train often frequented by Hamas supporters canceled a Tesla.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 weeks ago

Tesla's have a problem with the lefts.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Elongated Musketon: UM THAT WAS JUST 1 FAULTY MODEL STOP CHERRY PICKING GUYS JUST BUY IT!!!1

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Clearly the train didn't yield properly, time to ban trains.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago

I mean, he did specifically come up with his idiotic "Hyperloop" concept to kill California's high speed rail project

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago

Where's the video?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

I am all in on testing these devices and improving waay before they recommend fully giving into AI

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Hope no one was hurt, regardless whether they're stupid, distracted or whatever! If we can't build fail-saves into cars, what are our chances for real AI?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Okay I don't want to directly disagree with you I just want to add a thought experiment:

If it is a fundamental truth of the universe, a human can literally not program a computer to be smarter than a human (because of some Neil deGrasse Tyson-esq interpretation of entropy), then no matter what AI's will crash cars as often as real people.

And the question of who is responsible for the AI's actions will always be the person because people can take responsibility and AI's are just machine-tools. This basically means that there is a ceiling to how autonomous self-driving cars will ever be (because someone will have to sit at the controls and be ready to take over) and I think that is a good thing.

Honestly I'm in this camp that computers can never truly be "smarter" than a person in all respects. Maybe you can max out an ai's self-driving stats but then you'll have no points left over for morality, or you can balance the two out and it might just get into less morally challenging accidents more often ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. There are lots of ways to look at this

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

a human can literally not program a computer to be smarter than a human

I'd add that a computer vision system can't integrate new information as quickly as a human, especially when limited to vision-only sensing - which Tesla is strangely obsessed with when the cost of these sensors is dropping and their utility has been proven by waymo's excellent record.

All in all, I see no reason to attempt to replace humans when we have billions. This is doubly so for 'artistic' ai purposes - we have billions of people, let artists create the art.

show me an AI driven system that can clean my kitchen, or do my laundry. that'd be WORTH it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago

You all don't seem to understand, this is just the cost of progress!

[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Also, the robotaxi has been live for all of a day and there's already footage of it driving on the wrong side of the road: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_s-h0YXtF0c&t=420s

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

The thing that strikes me about both this story and the thing you posted is that the people in the Tesla seem to be like "this is fine" as the car does some pretty terrible stuff.

In that one, Tesla failing to honor a forced left turn instead opting to go straight into oncoming lanes and waggle about causing things to honk at them, the human just sits there without trying to intervene. Meanwhile they describe it as "navigation issue/hesitation" which really understates what happened there.

The train one didn't come with video, but I can't imagine just letting my car turn itself onto tracks and going 40 feet without thinking.

My Ford even thinks about going too close to another lane and I'm intervening even if it was really going to be no big deal. I can't imagine this level of "oh well".

Tesla drivers/riders are really nuts...

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

@Davriellelouna I am sure it was all monitored in real time and a revised algorithm will be included in a future update.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

And maybe an update to the firmware on those expensive Logitech webcams powering the AI.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Honey, are those train tracks? .... Yes looks like we'll turn left on to the tracks for 1/2 a mile. Its a detour.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Yeaaaaah, I mean fuck Tesla for a variety of reasons, but right here we're looking at a car that drove itself onto a set of train tracks, continued down the train tracks, and the people inside did...nothing? Like, they grabbed their shit and got out when it got stuck. The car certainly should not have done this, but this isn't really a Tesla problem. It'll definitely be interesting when robotaxis follow suit though.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Driver failed to control their car and avoid a collision.

FTFY.

I'm sure the car did actually take the action. But there are TONS of unavoidable warnings and reminders to the driver to supervise and take control when FSD goes wrong.

Which you can do by such super-technical means as "hitting the brake" or "steering the other way" or "flipping the right stalk up". Rocket science, I know.

Driver's fault. Bad technology, yes. Worse driver.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I just don't know how they're getting away with calling it 'full self driving' if it's not fully self driving.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

I didn't keep track of how that lawsuit turned out.

That said, it is labeled "Full Self-Driving (Supervised)" on everything in the car.

Supervised as in you have to be ready to stop this kind of thing. That's what the supervision is.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'd have bailed out and waited for the insurance check. Then got a different car.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago

I wouldn't have had time between pumping iron and getting head, myself.

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