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Florida has seen a population boom in recent years, but many longtime residents and recent transplants say rising costs and divisive politics have them fleeing the Sunshine State.

One of the first signs Barb Carter’s move to Florida wasn’t the postcard life she’d envisioned was the armadillo infestation in her home that caused $9,000 in damages. Then came a hurricane, ever present feuding over politics, and an inability to find a doctor to remove a tumor from her liver.

After a year in the Sunshine State, Carter packed her car with whatever belongings she could fit and headed back to her home state of Kansas — selling her Florida home at a $40,000 loss and leaving behind the children and grandchildren she’d moved to be closer to.

“So many people ask, ‘Why would you move back to Kansas?’ I tell them all the same thing — you’ve got to take your vacation goggles off,” Carter said. “For me, it was very falsely promoted. Once living there, I thought, you know, this isn’t all you guys have cracked this up to be, at all.”

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I grew up here and swear to God I almost want to run for governor with the slogan "Make Florida Freaky Again" We are not built for this conservative imbalance. We have churches and strip clubs, a strong tradition of tolerance and acceptance of, well, freaks. Circus people, drag queens, swingers. I grew up hanging out with drag queens and old gay dudes in leather and punks and skinheads at the same concerts. And even our version of the absolute scourge of racism, while nasty as fuck, we don't really have as much geographic segregation, I've never lived in a "white" or "black" neighborhood, they are often majority one or the other but not homogeneous and it's block by block. It was way, way too violent when I was young but that had already gotten better before this sudden turn to the fascist side. How the fuck did we get here? How can anyone, with a straight face, say drag queens don't belong here? In two years a pivot from my kid's middle school teacher doing a drag performance at the teacher and student talent show, to this being an unimaginable affront, contributing to the delinquency of minors or something? What state do they think they are in? Go to Alabama, assholes. It's you who are destroying our heritage.

Sorry, this rant has been building a long time.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 7 months ago

I grew up there. I always, always hated living in FL. I fled that shithole 15 years ago. The only thing I ever appreciated was the natural beauty, and every time I go back to visit, they paved over more of it.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

and it was expensive, very expensive.”

People hear “no state income tax” and don’t read any further. Property taxes are high if you want to live anywhere civilized. For instance Ft Myers is 4.7%. Insurance is crazy, as noted in the article, and the state is not kind to aged retirees.

It’s a great state if you’re an independently wealthy Republican.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Ft Myers does not have a 4.7% property tax rate. That would be ridiculously, catastrophically high. It decreased by 4.7% a years ago, but Florida is in the middle of the list for effective proper tax rate among all states in the country.

But I agree with you. I've heard many people I know from my state say they are leaving for FL because of income tax. I feel like many don't consider everything that actually goes into living there. Other than the politics, insurance companies starting to refuse home insurance is the scariest thing that would prevent me from ever living there.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Maybe I misread it… thanks for the correction.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

Wife and I ended up in Tampa early 2006. No state tax, but man, they made up for it there in fees and licensing for everything imaginable. Seemed like a lot of service industry jobs and trades all required you to get a local license. Heck, even the gals working in strip clubs were required to get a license to perform. I know some skilled trade jobs typically required licenses, but Florida just seemed to go out of their way to try to squeeze lower and middle class workers who were just trying to get by.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

People hear “no state income tax” and don’t read any further.

Yeps. Know a bunch of people who came here for the good schools and now are threatening to leave since their kids graduated.

Like okay thanks for being a selfish asshole. Go enjoy your swampscape

[–] [email protected] 37 points 7 months ago (2 children)

She was already considering a move out of the state when she was told by her homeowners insurance company that she would need to replace her home’s roof because it was older than four years or her insurance premium would be going up…

Is this normal in Florida? You have to replace your roof every four years?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Depends on the damage. It was a 25% damage rule. You get to storms in the same year that total that and it has to be replaced. (E.g. 12.5 and 12.5%). Don't think it matters/mattered how old it was.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago (2 children)

No. This seems kinda crazy. I've heard of having wind mitigation done on your roof to get your insurance rates down. I have no idea what it is but I do it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Sounds like they're trying to slowly bleed customers to pull out of Florida and banking on anyone forced to stay with them.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I imagine this is it - was there a change in code? I have a friend who lives there, and it’s a huge deal for their insurance that they hurricane-proof everything, and those standard do get revised over time

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Any new construction has to meet the code that the legislation comes up with, at least that's how I'm to understand it. Most of the new construction on the coast is built up on slits due to coastal flooding. But everything built now must meet hurricane standards.

When I was a kid we never had to really worry about flooding but we've had family members and friends shelter at our house because of the flooding.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

New construction has to meet current code, but existing buildings are grandfathered into code that existed when they were built, barring major renovations, as far as building inspections are concerned. However insurance can and does require updates

[–] [email protected] 39 points 7 months ago

Too often cities push for real estate flipping be ause it means more tax revenue. Any land near the beach is under threat of imminent domain seizure because it's now legal for a city to sell that land to private developers for a tower of condos and tax revenue instead of the 2 bedroom home that used to be there. Police just seize anything they want from motorists. Insurance prices are insane, I could not afford windstorm Insurance for the 1st time in my life. Auto insurance per year costs more than my car is worth. Beaches have started charging 30.00 to park to keep people away allowing the rich residents a more private beach.

The worst part is the lack of affordable housing....all the while half the condos on the beach are empty because rich snowbirds only use them a month out of the year.

This whole state has become a POS

[–] [email protected] 32 points 7 months ago (2 children)

IDK why anyone is considering moving to FL with global warming picking up speed. Seems pretty foolish to me. This issue alone is enough to take it off my retirement list if places to live.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

They don't believe in it... They're reactionary idiots.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 7 months ago (1 children)

They either

  1. Don't believe it exists

  2. Don't believe it will effect them.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago

Or can't afford to leave. We're not all ignorant down here.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Florida is on a Gilead speed run, I don't predict good things will be happening there until they get their Christofascism problem under control.

she said the final straw was when she couldn’t find a surgeon to remove a 6-inch tumor from her liver that doctors warned could burst at any moment and lead to life-threatening sepsis. After being passed among doctors, she finally found one willing to remove the tumor. But when she called to schedule the surgery, her calls went unanswered and her messages weren’t returned. After months of trying and fearing for her life, she returned to Kansas to have the procedure done.

What's with Orlando doctors? Is this sort of experience common there?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago

It's pretty common to wait several months just to get into a new primary care doctor in Florida.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I had a family member go through 3 doctors and many months of unbearable pain in their leg, all saying it was a simple sports injury that’ll go away on its own, before someone realized they had a pool noodle sized tumor in their leg. I blame this incompetence for their death.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Oof, condolences

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

Do the lawyers agree?

[–] [email protected] 48 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The lady from Ct made me laugh “I didn’t expect it to be 100 at night”..lady you moved there for the weather.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I tell this to people who want to move to Phoenix. Damn asphalt practically glows in the dark it's so damn hot.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Asphalt is probably the reason it gets so hot. Dirt dissipates the heat it absorbs at night concrete and asphalt not so much.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (2 children)

That's exactly what I was implying. I used to live there - the asphalt would be hot to the touch at night and outright dangerous to touch with bare skin during the day. The heat island effect made for an unbearable outside temperature for most of the year.

I'll never understand people who want to live in the desert; plants can't even survive there. Phoenix is a monument to man's arrogance.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Deserts can be fine to live in, but a city that uses that much asphalt and concrete shouldnt be built in a desert.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

That's all America knows how to build anymore: sprawling suburbs with a minimum quota for parking spaces per-capita. Stucco and pavement as far as the eye can see.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Maybe so, but I feel like on some level people are getting fucken sick of it. In my city for example they are discussing outlawing non native grass. Which would be fucken hilarious seeing the housing tracks throw a hissy fit.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I might move there for work in a bit over a year, and I'm trying not to already be a big baby about it. Summer will be rough for me.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

I worked in Houston for a couple of years. I suggest just hunkering down and staying home in the summer.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I moved from there to Chicago as a young adult - best decision I ever made. Started my career in a beautiful city with 4 whole seasons and minimal magma pavement.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I grew up in Chicago! It's the best city. I'll probably go back some day. I'm so glad you enjoy it!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

Definitely move back. Do whatever you can to avoid getting stationed in Phoenix. Whatever good it might do for your career just isn't worth the inevitable misery you'll experience getting into your car after it's been baking in the desolate expanse all day.

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