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[–] [email protected] 123 points 4 days ago (6 children)

I mean, yeah, that's what a declaration of war usually entails.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 days ago (11 children)
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[–] [email protected] 35 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Trump doesn't even have the class to declare.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

He also can't. Proclamations of war are made by the legislature. (Congress). If the President sends troops in a supposed emergency they can go without legislative consent for 90 days and must be recalled at that time without the legislature's approval. It's stupid, because 90 days into a conflict we have troops on the ground and an immediate evacuation only hurts us economically and global appearance some worry about. Not to mention the troops lost/injured, casualties left with those attacked and Congress not agreeing to keep them there is an admission that it was wrong, so not paying restitution would hurt international relations as well.

To me it comes to, if he orders troops on the ground, an immediate Congressional impeachment would be needed, and the Senate to remove him, or they will vote in favor of staying in the fight to "save face" and not care how many innocent lives die or are thrown into poverty, starve, are raped, wrongly imprisoned, tortured, and the damages it will cause to the mental health of a whole new generation of our soilders and people of other counties around the world.

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 4 days ago (5 children)

It used to be that non-combatants weren't considered legitimate targets. Ain't progress fun?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Well, it used to be that they were too. Have you heard of all the cities in Europe that were effectively destroyed during WWII?

It comes and goes, usually whenever it's useful. It sucks, but war is horrible. If civilians don't want to be targets they should pressure their governments to not be in them. Yes, sometimes it's worth fighting, but sometimes it isn't.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 4 days ago (2 children)

tell that to all the civilians in Guantanamo and Gaza.

if the first aggressor doesn't give a fuck about rule of war, it can't complain about them

[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Or Ukraine's civilians. Or the 500k--2M dead civilians during the war against Iraq. Oh, sorry, those were "collateral"...

Usually citizens are not considered fair targets. They're just targeted all the same.

Iran does not have the military capabilities to fight off Israel, let alone the USA. So they will most likely use terrorist attacks, targeting civilians, because that's the best hope they have to end the war: when the people back home get serious about ending it as they're taking losses.

Unfortunately, and as usual, the very important people who decide to keep going or stop are also the least likely to see their life at risk. And in this case, they also happen to not give a flying fuck about civilians lives.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

In the history of the world, it has only been a very short window during the late 20th/ early 21 st century that civilians were not considered fair game in war, although they get slaughtered anyway. Even with civilians being off limits, as recently as WW2, Korea, Vietnam, and the Middle East, civilians have been targets either by design, by atrocity, or by proximity.

If there's a war, don't think you're getting off the hook just because you're a civilian. During war, the old adage "If your not with us, you're against us" becomes weaponized.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (6 children)

Americans have only ever pretended to care about non-combatants when it's convenient. President Obama even invented the term 'enemy combatant' so he could pretend his drone strikes were killing fewer civilians.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago

I thought that term first came in vogue during Dubya’s term.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

🎶 Everybody's going to the party, have a real good time

Dancing in the desert, blowing up the sunshine 🎶

[–] [email protected] 38 points 4 days ago (1 children)

WHY DO THEY ALWAYS SEND THE POOR??

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 4 days ago

To the surprize of absolutely no one, maybe exept the US government.

[–] [email protected] 54 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Haha welp, guess we have airline bombings to look forward to in the future

This timeline fucking blows, guys.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I really don't think Iran's leaders are that foolish, after what happened last time someone did that.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Oh yeah America really taught them a lesson by, checks notes, giving Taliban control of Afghanistan, after pouring millions of dollars and ending the lives of thousands of Afghani and Americans

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

They quite famously killed the guy in charge, is what I'm getting at.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The stronger-than-ever Taliban?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

How many senior Taliban members are still alive from those days? The organisation persists, most of the leadership didn't.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago (3 children)

No, but they can certainly kill the Ayatollahs, and I don't think they're willing to die for the cause.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (5 children)

My best guess is that they'll use biological warfare. Our culture has already demonstrated that this is a huge weakness. They could also get us with a cyber attack, shutting down important infrastructure that way.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago

Iran would not do that, but you raise an important point about how insanely vulnerable the US is to actual biological attacks.

Could you imagine the US government trying to get Americans to get an anthrax vaccine after a weapon attack?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Our government is exceptional at dealing in violence but inept at handling threats that it can't beat, shoot, or bomb into submission.

The societal response and government handling of COVID was not at all reassuring. To the point that I let go of any last remaining shred of hope I had for us to turn this ship around on several metrics (e.g. climate change). And unfortunately I think it has gotten even worse, e.g. with the (at least apparent) increase in anti-vaxxers.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago

Same. My city reopened in Mid-June 2020 and I remember going to the gym and seeing people pretending the virus was gone, no masks, distancing, or wiping down the equipment. People are disgusting.

So I still mask up and carry sanitizer.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Release Ebola or some such thing in America, and the MAGAs will make sure no laws or mandates are passed to prevent it's spread. 50% of the population will be gone within a year, destroying our society without firing a shot.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago

It would be oddly poetic to use our own basic grossness against us. Americans have terrible hygiene.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago

Buy the ticket, take the ride!

[–] [email protected] 98 points 4 days ago (2 children)

The headline is somewhat misleading. Iran said US personnel are legitimate targets (meaning those employed by the US government. Not all US citizens.

Although if I were American I would not risk depending on the judgment of a random Iranian soldier.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 4 days ago (2 children)

First sentence:

Iran announced Sunday that any American civilian or military personnel in the region are now considered legitimate targets

So yes, still not all Americans, but no, not just government employees, American civilians too.

But I suspect non-military people will be arrested, not treated as military targets to be attacked or bombed.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago

After we've droned some of their people. I wouldn't put money on that.

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[–] [email protected] 76 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The article provide zero proof of the claim in the title

[–] [email protected] 84 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Its because its israeli News and it fits their propaganda.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 4 days ago (1 children)

While I don't recommend believing them non-conditionally, Haaretz has generally been opposed to Netanyahu and hid actions, especially after he picked a fight with them earlier this year.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 days ago

Even the Israeli left parties (and Ha’aretz is on the left) supports war on Iran even if they were less supportive of the genocide in Gaza. They still have a bias.

[–] [email protected] 159 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Oh good. Americans will die.

Trump will be fine.

But Americans are gonna die.

Trump is a traitor Nazi.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Maybe they can blow up his hotels and golf courses. He'd actually care more.

[–] [email protected] 86 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

More Americans died of Covid than in any war the US was involved since it became a country, yes including the Civil War. The highest death estimate for the Civil War puts it around 750 000 deaths while around 1 200 000 died due to Covid. Most Americans don't really care about the deaths of their fellow countrymen since, you know, they elected him again.

Fun Fact (I know it's not that fun): The number of people that died of Covid approaches the total number of people that died in all conflicts the US was involved from 1775 to 2019: 1 300 000 war dead versus 1 200 000 Covid dead

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

By 2000 more Americans had died of AIDS than any war but the civil war. Though I will admit I was surprised we still didn't care when it wasn't just undesirables dying. Turns out we're able to be ablist enough to declare anyone who dies of disease basically already dead beforehand

[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

there’s still time to get those numbers up

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