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Hurling ordure at the TREACLES, especially those closely related to LessWrong.

AI-Industrial-Complex grift is fine as long as it sufficiently relates to the AI doom from the TREACLES. (Though TechTakes may be more suitable.)

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For thursday's sentencing the us government indicated they would be happy with a 40-50 prison sentence, and in the list of reasons they cite there's this gem:

  1. Bankman-Fried's effective altruism and own statements about risk suggest he would be likely to commit another fraud if he determined it had high enough "expected value". They point to Caroline Ellison's testimony in which she said that Bankman-Fried had expressed to her that he would "be happy to flip a coin, if it came up tails and the world was destroyed, as long as if it came up heads the world would be like more than twice as good". They also point to Bankman-Fried's "own 'calculations'" described in his sentencing memo, in which he says his life now has negative expected value. "Such a calculus will inevitably lead him to trying again," they write.

Turns out making it a point of pride that you have the morality of an anime villain does not endear you to prosecutors, who knew.

Bonus: SBF's lawyers' list of assertions for asking for a shorter sentence includes this hilarious bit reasoning:

They argue that Bankman-Fried would not reoffend, for reasons including that "he would sooner suffer than bring disrepute to any philanthropic movement."

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

morality of an anime villain

Plenty of anime villains would be insulted by this.

IANAL: His defense team must truly suck ass. To let the prosecution build the case that he is essentially amoral and profit driven is just baffling. To let SBF speak in any capacity at all is more baffling. The only way they could bungle this further is if they asked for more time than the prosecution was asking for.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (12 children)

There's a limit to what anyone can achieve with this calibre of client. This is also his second defence team after the others refused to put up with his shit any more. He has a new, third defence team handling his appeal.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

If I remember correctly SBF taking the stand was completely against his lawyers' recommendations, and in general he seems to have a really hard time doing what people who know better tell him to, such as don't DM journalists about your crimes and definitely don't start a substack detailing how you felt justified in doing them, and also trying to 'explain yourself' to prosecution witnesses is witness tampering and will get your bail revoked.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

A really good lawyer carries duct tape

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

At several points, if Sam's lawyer had jumped across the courtroom and knocked him out with a single punch to the face, it would have been best fulfilling their duty to their client and as officers of the court.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

@Architeuthis

"Almost all of the letters lamented the likelihood that victims will not be able to enjoy the gains on their crypto assets, as the bankruptcy proceedings are likely to pay out claims in dollars based on the price of Bitcoin and other assets on the date of bankruptcy ($16,871, in Bitcoin's case) rather than their prices today (around $70,000, or over four times as much)" oh no what a shame

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

ACAB and abolish prisons, but we can leave finance cops and SBF until quite late in the process

come the fabulous gay luxury space communism future, when scarcity itself becomes all but obsolete, we will absolutely have to make it clear that, at the mind-buggeringly long and rambling cadre meetings discussing the disbursement of the few items that remain restricted, Sam's opinion is not invited

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

One prison left (for all the dirty cops, corrupt prosecutors, and anyone who abused their position to imprison others). Even in the gay luxury space communism future, someone will have to keep that prison clean. Sam can have that job.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

"SBF died for our sins". "Archangel LTD".

Oh my what a humble and altruistic boy genius.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (6 children)

Holy FUCKING shit this cannot be real. No. He could not have written this.

sbf plans for post-ftx

My estimation of SBF as a wretch just fuckin plummeted.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Notably missing: grabbing a couple of millions and run of to a non extradition country.

He is so sure he can get out on top that running away doesn't even hit his brainstorm top 19 list. He doesn't write the list on paper and burn it later, because for it to backfire he would need to fail.

Insane confidence man.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

These clowns are so fucking incompetent at being evil geniuses that they need a document outlining their Evil Plan™ and not once think how that might be a stupid idea.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

at this point, multiple people involved in crypto have been famously caught with a crimes.txt file on their unencrypted desktop, in signal chats named some shit like financial crimes and real gamers clubhouse where they talk about the crimes and Fortnite they’re doing, or with toilet phones protected by ziplock bags with crime burner phone (with evidence of my crimes) written on the bag with a sharpie

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I suddenly feel like Hackerman because my PGP-encrypted file with Steam backup tokens is infinitely better secured than some crypto bro's detailed confession of crimes that could land them jail for 50 years.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I wonder how much of this is hubris from the cryptocurrency assholes consistently trying to confuse the public into associating their horseshit with general cryptography (especially with the crypto abbreviation for both) and in the process gaslighting themselves into thinking they’re cryptography and computer security experts

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

It goes along with the number of programmers who simultaneously are confident that being a programmer means they are geniuses while also bragging that ChatGPT writes better code than they do.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

ah, it’s always fun when the quiet part out loud CONFIDENTIAL.docx leaks. this sub-mediocre rich little jackass really did convince himself all he needed to do was control the narrative and flood Twitter with nonsense and he’d come out of this an unscathed alt-right grifter. what’s fucking amazing is that he still tried a bunch of these tactics (specifically #15 and a lot of the ones throwing shade on the bankruptcy team) even though the prosecution had this document the entire time

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (11 children)

the sentencing is in five and a half hours and i can't wait for SBF to try to get up and just explain one more time

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (3 children)

if my real-life friends were cooler, I’d have already arranged a watch party, drinking game, and post-sentencing celebratory cocktails

fuck it, we’re doing cocktails

The SBF

  • fill a highball glass to 2/3rds with ice and apple cider
  • float a shot of Skrewball peanut butter whiskey on top
  • to commemorate SBF’s long history of bad decisions, garnish with a serving of your choice of citrus-flavored THC drinkable
  • don’t actually do the above step you will throw up in front of your disappointed family
[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Here’s my cocktail suggestion:

50 Shades (Sam Bankman) Fried:

Ingredients:

  • 50 different liquors/liqueurs, as many different densities and colours as possible

Equipment:

  • Transparent cylindrical urn with spigot

Steps:

  1. Sort the ingredients in decreasing order or liquid density.
  2. Pour 1/50th of the container capacity of each liquid in order into container, slowly and carefully to retain layers.

(Do not actually make this)

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

breakfast of sneers

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

Utilitarianism is just a vapid philosophy, and so gross.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Turns out being a fucking sociopath is a good indicator of reoffence, who would've thinkity thunked.

Give him 50 years of being forced to talk to a normal person that swats him in the head with a newspaper every time he says "expected value", we can rehabilitate this boy.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You know, I read the whole Molly white piece as an abolitionist who agrees with Sam that these sentences are barbaric, but struggling to figure out what rehabilitative process you can use with someone as horrible as Sam, and I think you might have just come up with it. Want to be in charge of the US criminal justice system?

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