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Hurling ordure at the TREACLES, especially those closely related to LessWrong.

AI-Industrial-Complex grift is fine as long as it sufficiently relates to the AI doom from the TREACLES. (Though TechTakes may be more suitable.)

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For thursday's sentencing the us government indicated they would be happy with a 40-50 prison sentence, and in the list of reasons they cite there's this gem:

  1. Bankman-Fried's effective altruism and own statements about risk suggest he would be likely to commit another fraud if he determined it had high enough "expected value". They point to Caroline Ellison's testimony in which she said that Bankman-Fried had expressed to her that he would "be happy to flip a coin, if it came up tails and the world was destroyed, as long as if it came up heads the world would be like more than twice as good". They also point to Bankman-Fried's "own 'calculations'" described in his sentencing memo, in which he says his life now has negative expected value. "Such a calculus will inevitably lead him to trying again," they write.

Turns out making it a point of pride that you have the morality of an anime villain does not endear you to prosecutors, who knew.

Bonus: SBF's lawyers' list of assertions for asking for a shorter sentence includes this hilarious bit reasoning:

They argue that Bankman-Fried would not reoffend, for reasons including that "he would sooner suffer than bring disrepute to any philanthropic movement."

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

That is so bizarre that I thought it was parody. I guess Poe’s Law applies to ratty effective altruists.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

SBF is a patsy for citadel

The info will come to light very soon 🤣

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

Here is the document that mentions EA as risk factor, some quotes blow

Fourth, the defendant may feel compelled to do this fraud again, or a version of it, based on his use of idiosyncratic, and ultimately for him pernicious, beliefs around altruism, utilitarianism, and expected value to place himself outside of the bounds of the law that apply to others, and to justify unlawful, selfish, and harmful conduct. Time and time again the defendant has expressed that his preferred path is the one that maximizes his version of societal value, even if imposes substantial short term harm or carries substantial risks to others... In this case, the defendant’s professed philosophy has served to rationalize a dangerous brand of megalomania—one where the defendant is convinced that he is above the law and the rules of the road that apply to everyone else, who he necessarily deems inferior in brainpower, skill, and analytical reasoning.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

What is the thumbnail? Asofterworld?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

which thumbnail? not seeing it from my client/interface

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

He also brainstormed ideas to rehabilitate his image, including "Go on Tucker Carlsen [sic], come out as a republican", seek support from "random subgroups" including the alt-right or "some other displaced group", "come out as extremely pro crypto, pro freedom", embrace the narrative that "SBF died for our sins", condemn the bankruptcy lawyers, or applaud the bankruptcy lawyers.

This person...he's not fit to live in a normal society. He also planned to launche another crypto exchange after ftx. He's going to do that again and again...if they let him free (they won't)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

embrace the narrative that “SBF died for our sins”

Huh? This is so absurdly self-aggrandizing that I struggle to comprehend what he's even saying. What did he imagine "our sins" were, and how did getting imprisoned absolve them?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I know nothing about this and have only seen some extremely obnoxious cryptobros on Twitter, but my guess of the narrative is that it would operate on SBF paving the way for them via doing crypto, where crypto is seen as rebellious against a rules-based, above board, banking order that’s trying to shut them out, keep them submissive and down, out of the game, etc.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

That confused me as well. Is he having a crisis or an episode fueled by some religios ideas?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

I certainly find it aggravating!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

quite an underwhelming choice, that one :/

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

I remember people convinced his big donations to Democrats would enable him to walk.

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