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Hurling ordure at the TREACLES, especially those closely related to LessWrong.

AI-Industrial-Complex grift is fine as long as it sufficiently relates to the AI doom from the TREACLES. (Though TechTakes may be more suitable.)

This is sneer club, not debate club. Unless it's amusing debate.

[Especially don't debate the race scientists, if any sneak in - we ban and delete them as unsuitable for the server.]

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (10 children)

The thing that gets me the most about this is they can't imagine that Eliezer might genuinely be in favor of inclusive language, and thus his use of people's preferred pronouns must be a deliberate calculated political correctness move and thus in violation of the norms espoused by the sequences (which the author takes as a given the Eliezer has never broken before, and thus violating his own sequences is some sort of massive and unique problem).

To save you all having to read the rant...

—which would have been the end of the story, except that, as I explained in a subsequent–subsequent post, "A Hill of Validity in Defense of Meaning", in late 2018, Eliezer Yudkowsky prevaricated about his own philosophy of language in a way that suggested that people were philosophically confused if they disputed that men could be women in some unspecified metaphysical sense.

Also, bonus sneer points, developing weird terminology for everything, referring to Eliezer and Scott as the Caliphs of rationality.

Caliphate officials (Eliezer, Scott, Anna) and loyalists (Steven) were patronizingly consoling me

One of the top replies does call this like it is...

A meaningful meta-level reply, such as "dude, relax, and get some psychological help" will probably get me classified as an enemy, and will be interpreted as further evidence about how sick and corrupt is the mainstream-rationalist society.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

Rationalist Civil War was my least favorite Marvel movie.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (2 children)

My dayjob performance had been suffering for months. The psychology of the workplace is ... subtle. There's a phenomenon where some people are vastly more productive than others and everyone knows it, but no one is cruel enough to make it common knowledge. This is awkward for people who simultaneously benefit from the culture of common-knowledge-prevention allowing them to collect the status and money rents of being a $150K/year software engineer without actually performing at that level, who also read enough Ayn Rand as a teenager to be ideologically opposed to subsisting on unjustly-acquired rents rather than value creation. I didn't think the company would fire me, but I was worried that they should.

My goodness is there anything about this person's outlook that isn't profoundly sad.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Suppose there are five true heresies, but anyone who's on the record as believing more than one gets burned as a witch.

Two heresies leave Chicago traveling at 90 km/h and 100 km/h

Jessica asked if Yudkowsky denouncing neoreaction and the alt-right would still seem harmful, if he were to also to acknowledge, e.g., racial IQ differences?

uh

I agreed that that would be better, but realistically, I didn't see why Yudkowsky should want to poke that hornet's nest.

uhhhhhhhhh

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

a perfectly spherical heresy in a vacuum at absolute zero, and also it's racist

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Three major thoughts here: 1) this is the epitome of toxic individualism, 2) holy hell this person really needs to leave rationalism for their own health and happiness, 3) I love the idea that anyone can insist on quoting Ray “doesn’t believe in bisexuality” Blanchard while calling themselves a person focused on truth

This person is clearly struggling with who they are and has decided they don’t get to be themselves and is working back from there

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

And I just want to clarify my beef with Blanchard. It’s not just that he’s wrong about me and people I care about in ways that are hurtful, prejudiced, and used to cause harm. It’s also the fact that he’s held up by a certain type of person because they can’t be bothered to understand us or science. Sometimes in science one lone person speaks truth to a field that irrationally digs in their heels and refuses to see reason. I understand that. But sometimes some jackass looks identical to that and just happens to be wrong and using terrible methodology and because people outside the field don’t understand shit they latch on because the field is saying things that go against their preconceived notions and that person sounds kinda right.

Ray Blanchard is the Andrew Wakefield of sexology and a certain type of people insist he’s Galileo in that story that’s usually oversimplified because it makes for a better story than telling it truthfully.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (3 children)

If I were to transition today and didn't pass as well as Jessica, and everyone felt obligated to call me a woman, they would be wireheading me: making me think my transition was successful, even though it wasn't.

This is the same fuckin' diseased mentality that gets cis women harassed in changing rooms for having jawlines that are slightly too heavy.

The math is also weird and unclear in that way which feels like a person reaching for grandiose Theories Of It All without any experience solving more mundane problems first.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

Exactly. Yeah some trans women really don’t pass, some cis women don’t either. Nobody benefits from increased scrutiny on people’s gender except people selling fear of trans people or selling the tools to conform to gendered expectations.

But also if you’re unhappy with your meat sack change it because there’s no evidence you get another.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

Zack's ability to externalise problems onto all others is stupendous even as a rationalist

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

LWers will literally

Instead of going to therapy

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (6 children)

104 minutes! Not today satan.

A ctrl+f on 'sneer' shows me a lot of talking about sneerclub, but guess he didn't actually check reddit and notice that it is no longer there.

And of course the guy is some weird anti pronouns person. ('But somebody might look how you not expect them to look!')

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

not going to waste my time on a random terf, but i'm happy to see said terf to waste ten times more to write and meticulously cross-reference all that crap.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Not so much a random terf as someone who appears to have been trying to use lesswrong struggle sessions in place of trans conversion therapy for a while now.

Or at least that's my diagonal impression, and I'm also not going over that entire maelstrom just to make sure if they are a rotten egg or not.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

Yeah i didn’t read much, but at one point in my life i was attempting to do something like that and I see all the telltale signs. The difference is that as a teenager I grew up and developed the emotional maturity to understand that no amount of wanting to not be trans would make me cis, just trans and miserable.

Also I grew up and learned how absolutely bonkers rationalism is as a philosophy.

They seem so deep in that the idea of “what would make me happy” has left the equation long ago

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Zack seems to want to transition, has detailed logic as to why not to, and is determined to make it everyone else's problem

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