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Homes in England are more cramped than those in New York City, according to new analysis that showed UK property offers the worst value for money in the developed world.

The Resolution Foundation found that the UK has the oldest properties in Europe and English homes have less floorspace than many international peers, notably Germany, France and Japan. With 38 square meters on average per person, London homes are even more cramped than those in New York City.

The findings, which also show UK housing costs are also more expensive relative to general prices than in any OECD country, underscore the scale of the housing crisis in Britain. Many younger Britons are struggling to get a foot on the property ladder due to soaring prices, and the issue is rising up the political agenda ahead of an election expected later this year.

“By looking at housing costs, floorspace and wider issues of quality, we find that the UK’s expensive, cramped and aging housing stock offers the worst value for money of any advanced economy,” said Adam Corlett, principal economist at the Resolution Foundation. “Britain’s housing crisis is decades in the making, with successive governments failing to build enough new homes and modernize our existing stock. That now has to change.”

The Resolution Foundation found that if all UK households were “exposed to the full brunt of the housing market, the UK would devote the highest share of overall spending to housing” to every OECD country except Finland.

Some 38% of UK homes were built before 1946, higher than the level of 29% in France, 24% in Germany, 21% in Italy and 11% in Spain. That means British properties by comparison are poorly insulated and come with higher energy bills.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

I wonder how much land access affects this. It's easy to build bigger properties when you've got a lot of land. The UK has much less land area compared to the US or even France, Spain, Sweden, Germany, Finland, Norway, Poland and Italy. Not all of that land is actually buildable, either.

Still not a great position to be in, either way.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago

Old houses aren't necessarily a problem size-wise. The main problem in my town is people buying old houses, splitting them into four or six of the smallest flats imaginable, then renting them out.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Looking at my last 4 NYC apartments, how is that even physically possible?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Our housing and rental laws are almost exclusively written by landlords and property developers. With "no fault evictions" you literally can't even withhold rent for major disrepair. I mean, you can in theory but the work around makes it useless. New-builds here are far worse than the housing stock made immediately after WW2, due to the appalling standards they're allowed to build to. You just have to hope its not been covered in illegal, ultra flammable cladding that the developers don't have to pay to fix.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Withholding rent isn’t that common in my experience. I learned this while watching a French roommate in Argentina nearly get evicted and while being shocked that it could happen.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

I mean, in eroupe its usually accepted that landlords need to be forced into making the properties fit for human habitation.

Youre right of course that its all relative but yeah, it's something you'd expect from a country that bangs on about "fair play" as much as we do.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

With 38 square meters on average per person, London homes are even more cramped than those in New York City

Maybe Londoners have more roommates/family members living with them? Given the "per person" part of this statistic.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

I can believe that. The last time I lived in London one of the neighboring flats had 4 young women living in a 2 bedroom apartment with a small living area and tiny kitchen.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Older housing being smaller shouldn't surprise anyone.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Smaller and old. With modern building methods it is however possible to restore and old building up to modern standards. The question is: is there the will to do it, or are they just sqeezing any pound and pence from these properties without investing anything in return?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Eh you can do the the energy part at great difficulty but you can't fix the size or layout.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

Of course, I meant the energy efficiency. No way to get any more space beyond what they have there.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (4 children)

Some 38% of UK homes were built before 1946, higher than the level of 29% in France, 24% in Germany, 21% in Italy and 11% in Spain. That means British properties by comparison are poorly insulated and come with higher energy bills.

I'm assuming this number is so high in the UK because the rest of Europe had much if its older housing destroyed by war and subsequently rebuilt after WWI and WWII.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Spain was neutral during WW1 and WW2. They did have a big civil war, but that was less destructive than WW2 (still very bad though, just not nearly as bad as WW2).

For Germany it might be the reason: Lots of large German cities were mostly destroyed, some practically entirely + they had a large amount of refugees from east of the Oder that needed new places to live.

This level of destruction was not/much less the case in France and Italy. A quick google search says that France actually lost less housing stock during ww2 than Britain did. https://www.britannica.com/topic/casualties-of-World-War-II-2231003

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The Battle of Britain during WW2 destroyed a lot of British cities, major ports, and industrial centres, to the point that the rations system continued into the 1950s because the country was broke and rebuilding.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

Oh don't think I was suggesting the UK came out of WWII unscathed. Far from it. However this article is about residential housing. Yes, there were houses destroyed, especially with V1 launches, but most of the bombing were against industrial targets. As you said, ports and industrial centers. Further, Britain never had foreign troops battling on its land in WWI or WWII, which can't be said for continental Europe.

My point was that residential housing was specifically targeted tactically with the shifting front lines in continental Europe, where that wasn't the case in the UK.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

In Germany (and other European nations) it's easier to get planning permission to demolish existing houses and then self build.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago (2 children)

one of Kirsten Dirksen’s videos also mentioned in EU in addition to permitting, it’s often cheaper to demo and build than renovate

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

So many houses on the market that are essentially just ruins by modern energy standards. In many cases you have no choice but to completely start anew. The issue is that the prices don't reflect that. You have a house built in the 60s with oil heaters and no insulation going for 700k or more. So you will be out for the house/land, the demolition and then a new house as well. On the other hand trying to renovate the same house would probably be the same amount of money but you are still living in an old house.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Sweden has prioritized extra insulation since the oil crisis in the 70's. I think it's not only about countries being bombed in WW II, but also about bigger political decisions.

Edit: Boned? Go home autocorrect, you're drunk!

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago (1 children)

They made sensible decisions after the oil crisis showed they could be kneecapped at any moment? What is this heresy? [Climbs up ladder into truck.]

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago

Same time period that the Netherlands went all-in on making it safe and popular to cycle everywhere.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Homes in England are more cramped than those in New York City, according to new analysis that showed UK property offers the worst value for money in the developed world.

The Resolution Foundation found that the UK has the oldest properties in Europe and English homes have less floorspace than many international peers, notably Germany, France and Japan.

Many younger Britons are struggling to get a foot on the property ladder due to soaring prices, and the issue is rising up the political agenda ahead of an election expected later this year.

“Britain’s housing crisis is decades in the making, with successive governments failing to build enough new homes and modernize our existing stock.

While higher interest rates cooled the surge in house prices, rents in the UK and London are rocketing at the fastest pace on record.

Estimates by Capital Economics show that this now should be closer to 385,000 to bring real house price growth in line with the European average.


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