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Wasn't paying attention and misread the map at first. It's showing male suicides / female suicides. So a green nation would be 1:1 equal suicide by gender. So every nation has a strong bias towards male suicide, some much more so than others.
I have no way to know the lived experience of women, but I have observed since about 4 years of age that the buck stops with me. I, and I suspect the vast majority of men, have no backstop - If I have any problem that I can't fix myself, or can't pay money to get assistance with, I am fucked.
I hear anecdotally that women are more likely to tell people about suicidal ideation... Does this imply that women have better results using social networks to move past the stressors or illness behind that ideation?
Best case if I was feeling like I couldn't bear to keep living and told someone, maybe a family member would have me committed for my own good. Then after the imprisonment, I am also unemployed and still have no one with the bandwidth to help me deal with whatever issues I was having.
I have observed since about 4 years of age that the buck stops with me. I, and I suspect the vast majority of men, have no backstop - If I have any problem that I can't fix myself, or can't pay money to get assistance with, I am fucked.
I think this is an important observation. Women, almost always, have some avenue of potential support, even if it's unsavory. Men very often have nothing.
Afaik suicide attempt rates are 2-3x more common in women than men. Men are just more likely to choose methods that are more deadly.
Not to belittle it on either side but I do wonder what causes that disparity. Is it that men plan it more thoroughly or have access to more dangerous methods? Do women choose methods that, unintentional or not, can be backed out of more easily? Are women more likely to report a failed attempt than men? If that 2-3x factor is true, then why don't we see similar numbers of idk completion? I hesitate to say success because it is very much not a success to commit suicide, there are always other options, even if they're not perfect.
have access to more dangerous methods?
Are there any methods that are available to men that aren't available to women?
Women are more likely to opt for "clean" methods to avoid leaving a mess for grieving family. Paracetamol overdose, poisons, natural gas. For whatever reason (and anecdotally I can blame the way women are socialised to put others first by valuing "feminine" traits of caring and nurturing) women will go for a slower, even more painful method if it means less trauma for those finding the body. Women often have an existing support network that "failed" them, and they don't want that support network to feel guilty, so making their death seem "peaceful" plays into the suicide plan.
Men are more likely to go for methods that are quick and effective because the ultimate goal is to die. Men don't have that same support network, there was nobody there to "fail" these men, they often had no one in the first place, so there's not as much consideration for what the method of death may mean for those left behind. Men are more likely to jump in front of trains or shoot themselves.
The support network plays into this as well, because women often have other people, they may accidentally let on that something has changed in their lives suicide motivation. Even a simple "you're a great friend, thank you for being there" text could send a red flag and women are more likely to have paramedics called by a suspicious friend or family member.
Because men often don't have anyone, they don't raise any red flags, so their attempts have no external intervention.
That's a lot of good info, but it sounds like the short answer to my question is "no?"
Sorry, I replied to the wrong level in that comment thread and in doing so didn't answer your question at all because I wasn't thinking about your question specifically.
Women have all the same options as men, but because of the way women are socialised those options seem unfavourable.
Now I'll be thinking about suicide by penis all night.
Personally, I think it comes down to two things. The first has to do with the root causes of the suicidality. If what you have is severe, can-barely-get-out-of-bed depression, you're more likely to choose a more passive and less likely to succeed method like swallowing the pills you currently have in your medicine cabinet. If one of your root causes is anger, then you're more likely to choose a more active method like leaving the house and finding a tall building.
And the second is that men are twice as likely to own a firearm.
I've heard the claims that women generally opt for less effective methods because they're more likely to want to leave an opportunity to back out, or try to avoid leaving a messy corpse. I have not data here, these are simply claims I've heard.
I've heard the latter, as in even in death women are thinking about others.
Anecdotally, I've heard that almost universally. Every woman or girl I know who has chosen not to commit suicide, someone having to find their corpse factored highly in their reasons.
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So the data suggests we should promote women's suicides more /s
Green is such a beautiful, bright, shiny color... unmissable you might even say. I see it nowhere except the legend though. :-(
There's nowhere on earth where women are as good at killing themselves as men are.
Yaayyyyy... we did it.....
Is it all attempted suicides or successful suicides only?
Successful. Women actually attempt suicide more, but more often choose drug overdoses rather than immediately fatal means.
A suicide rate means successful, just like a murder rate is successful murders and not attempted murder.
Thank you for clarifying