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I haven't seen it yet so I'm withholding judgement but I didn't much care for her character in the movie and I wouldn't be surprised if a show based on her struggled.
My complaints are simple things, like:
"why was there >!a human sized drainage tunnel!< connecting to >!an incredibly secure facility!<?".
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"why use >!songs!< in the >!soundtrack!< that have to be >!censored!<?"
I'm sure some of the negative reviews are from people like that. But I also think a lot of companies and people like to hide behind the fact that they have a minority or POC main character as the reason the movie bombed when in reality the movie was just bad.
Any discussion about the actual quality of the writing, directing, casting and whatever else gets drowned out by people calling it racist or sexist as opposed to addressing the fact that the movie did fail in several other key ways.
That’s just whataboutism from the same people doing the review bombing because of perceived wokeness. Corporations only give a shit about the bottom line, and if they can make money out of Black Panther or a movie about ICE agents on a quest to dig up Hitler’s skull they’ll do it.
I'm a forgiving fan, but am enjoying the hell out of the series. And I'm a middle-aged Midwestern white dude. I don't need representation to get behind a story or the characters.
And after the first episode I was amused by this thought: "Was Jim Rash the only white character in the episode?"
I haven't watched this show or movie or whatever it is, but my comment was more in general.
If movie is bad and the lead is a white guy the studio and director and everyone involved kinda just shrugs and goes "whoops" but when it's got a minority/POC lead and it ranks they seem to almost always accuse the viewers of just being racist incels instead of just admitting there might have been other issues with the film.
100% agreed, I just wanted to put in my thoughts. Could've been a parent comment I suppose but some of my points were building on yours.
Let’s call this what it is: a pattern of harassment wrapped in the pretense of critique. Whether it was Ms. Marvel, The Little Mermaid, The Acolyte, or The Last of Us Season 2, projects centering women — particularly Black women or women of color — have been consistently met with a wave of bad-faith backlash from the very people who claim to love the genre.
Not wrong. But it does seem to miss the general slide in popularity of the rest of the Marvel franchise. Very easy to review bomb a movie that nobody else is interested in watching, because the genre and the franchise is utterly played out.
I suspect the "We don't make art at this company, we make money" bean counters at Disney+ will continue to take the wrong message from all of this. Given their rush to cancel a bunch of prestige hits, like Andor and Extraordinary among others, I suspect we're going to see a new wave of cheap, low-budget, heavily AI-driven slop content in the near future. The lesson we learn will be to double down on boring white dude power fantasies, because their standard for art and writing is so much lower than their peers.
I hope we're all ready for everything to become Rebel Moon!
the general slide in popularity of the rest of the Marvel franchise. Very easy to review bomb a movie that nobody else is interested in watching, because the genre and the franchise is utterly played out.
While I agree there has been a decrease, to say no one is watching is an overstatement.
Deadpool & Wolverine was #2 at the Box Office for 2024. Marvel films were also in the top 10 in 2023 and 2024. Currently in 2025 Marvel films are in the top 10, although they would likely fall off by years end (but also Fantastic Four, so TBD).
The audience, as a whole, is interested. I understand that many people have stopped watching and that's fine, but just because you have stopped because you don't like it, doesn't mean that everyone else had stopped.
What people want is a quality film. Or since we're talking about Ironheart, a quality TV show. Disney/Marvel has absolutely fumbled with a lot of these stories. Their rock bottom was Secret Invasion. But we're generally trending up.
Agatha was fantastic. Spider-Man was a fresh new approach that really worked. Daredevil was a project they knew they messed up on so they reshot it, it stumbles a little bit but starts and ends strong.
Watching Ironheart, with all the bad press going into it, I've been pleasantly surprised. It's got some issues, but overall it's solid.
Case in point, apparently you don't even realize that this isn't a movie. It's a show.
People review bombing stuff that they don't want to see, and probably didn't even see (or just the first five minutes), simply is not behaviour that should be encouraged. Unfortunately nowadays reviews don't mean shit anymore for the original purpose of reviews: to be a guide for people who are interested in watching something, to see if watching this particular thing is worthwhile.
Nowadays these reviews or ratings are being used by the monoculture people to say "at the moment our monoculture likes x and hates y". And that's stupid bs that the mainstream has caused.
Point of order: Andor was only ever going to be two seasons.
Andor's five-season plan was axed due to "desperation," "Diego's face"
"It just takes too long to make it," showrunner Tony Gilroy concluded, explaining why he condensed Cassian Andor's five-year journey into two seasons.
Sure but that's still only planned for two seasons. The show runner, the creative, made that decision. Andor was great and I'd have loved to see more, but if the creator decided that their five year plan wasn't worth it, then I trust that they made the right decision.
I'm for not dragging things out unnecessarily.
I watched both versions of the Rebel Moons…
