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I'm watching both of these shows in their entirety and I don't know why they've historically gotten so much backlash. One reviewer called TBL "a dumpster fire of a TV show" and others seem to think M6L is downright abusive. However, I can't find anything particularly bad in either.

Although it's true that in TBL the contestants are losing an egregious amount of weight each week, it's likely (actually almost certain) that most of this is water weight and it would have been more dangerous to instead not lose the weight. The intense exercise scenes seem pretty typical for anybody who's serious about athletics. Finally, the famous "damaged metabolism" study that shut down TBL turned out to be debunked due to "damaged metabolism" being a boring, normal adaptation under high physical activity.

And although there are tons of bare naked shower scenes in M6L, everyone knew that going in and they agreed anyway. Some also complain how the stars don't receive enough support for things like therapy and other cost centers. I would say that would actually have been a great thing to add, but it would be impractical at scale and have a high chance of bankrupting the production with how much healthcare costs, resulting in a net loss of benefit for those who need the surgery.

So, what's your viewpoint here?

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[–] [email protected] 91 points 1 year ago

Because they are exploitative trash.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (9 children)

The correlation between weight and health is a lot murkier than media in general, and these shows in particular, represent. It's much more reliable to measure blood and vitals, such as cholesterol and blood pressure, to establish wellbeing and risk.

Rapid changes in weight tho, in either direction, are well established for having permanent harmful effects. It also tends to make it more difficult to maintain weight loss, and more likely someone actually increases in weight over time.

These shows make it seem like losing weight at any cost is desirable, and don't put focus on the actually accurate metrics of wellbeing, while ignoring the negative long term impacts of rapid weight loss. It's a very warped view of health that focuses on an aesthetic feature.

I strongly recommend giving this podcast a try if you want more analysis: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-biggest-loser/id1535408667?i=1000505824482

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Some people are sick of reality shows; others aren't.

[–] [email protected] 76 points 1 year ago (8 children)

I remember when TV channels like TLC used to air educational content (The Learning Channel was actually an appropriate name). It has since morphed into a channel that airs "lets gawk at these people who aren't like us" content. It's no longer educational.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago

So now they are The Leering Channel.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Personally I think the contestants are forced to try way too hard. They get taught that extreme suffering is a necessary consequence of losing weight. Of course they are going to stop trying and rebound once their part in the contract is done. They don't know how to live a lifestyle that effortlessly maintains their weight.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

Just FYI, please don't downvote this question into oblivion... it may be obvious to you, but I think it's asked in good faith.

We're in NoStupidQuestions and this is a legitimate question someone might be afraid to ask.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 year ago (2 children)

TBL is a show that proves if you have a nutritionist, personal trainer, and heavily restricted diet you can lose a lot of weight really quickly. It's still somewhat dangerous to do that, and almost guaranteed to not lead to long term success. People almost killing themselves to massive applause and congratulations isn't actually a good thing.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

So I was fat (really fat, not chubby)and had a very good financial situation before COVID, so I hired a personal trainer, went to the most tech gym, went to the same nutritionist as the bodybuilding team , and the "star" dermatologist (with all her expensive treatments) No joke, in 1 year I was fitness and beautiful. You wouldn't believe. When Covid hit I got fat again but now I know, nobody is really ugly, you are only poor. If you have money you can be whoever you want in the time frame that you want

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Even with that supervision, the show encourages unhealthy practices like dehydration to meet a weight goal

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

True. They essentially lived on water and vitamins while on the show.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 year ago

It's fat shaming for public amusement. It's a thoroughly awful concept from top to bottom... it doesn't offer advice for healthy weightloss or encourage a healthy life style... it's just making a spectacle of something people struggle with.

It comes from an entirely negative place.

[–] [email protected] 99 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It makes public spectacle of acceptable targets of bullying. People laugh at them safely at home without facing consequences.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

That's actually weird, because I'm always thinking "wow, look how far they came! awesome work!" which is the opposite mindset.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Just because that is how you enjoy the show doesn't mean everyone is the same way.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Look how far they came when they had access to social supports and the high quality food we deny to the poor - it's trying to shift the narrative from societal issues to personal responsibility... "look how easy it is - you too could lose hundreds of pounds if you got off your lazy ass" without regard to the fact that the personal trainers and dieticians are out of reach for normal people.

Look at billionaires if you want the real proof - Jeff Bezos hasn't always looked like Vin Diesel, old pictures of Elon Musk are an amazing contrast, ditto for Gates - honestly Zuckerberg seems to be the exception here because martial arts a life long hobby of his... these are all people who already had a shit ton of money but even they struggled before they had a team dedicated to their body.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, in Bullyland that's not gonna be a popular attitude.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I can see where Bullyland might exist among regular people, but not among doctors given that M6L is literally run by Dr. Now's son and overweight + obesity is approaching the number 1 preventable cause of death in the US. I guess I just have a different perspective than most?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

If said doctors participate in something that is oriented to appease the public of bullies, I don't care about their good intentions -- they're accomplices.

The producers don't care about reducing the health crisis in the US. They care about viewers and the money they bring.

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