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[–] [email protected] 2 points 13 hours ago

y'all need to just bluntly tell the people around you to get to the point, with that in place phonecalls are absolutely the quickest way to figure things out

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

im introverted but i actually prefer this than arguing over text

[–] [email protected] 1 points 22 hours ago

The best thing about arguing over text is that you can just ignore it!

Though you shouldn't

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

I didn't generally mind this quite so much ..

Then someone just could calls me without even texting first... While I'm already in a meeting actively taking to someone else...

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The hell is this comment section? Is every lemmy user some kind of IT person? There is place for text, there is place for calls, and there is even place for actual presence, all depending on actual problem and yours and other person's understanding of it and ability to articulate through different mediums.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

I think an abnormally large portion of lemmings are in IT

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago

Fuck no

I need traceable communications

Send me an email, I don't want to discuss potentially non contract and policy approved things over a medium that won't record it

People, keep your communications traceable at all times

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

It almost never is. Plus I probably have to write the info down anyways so just send me a text. If you have to call to explain it, I'll call you.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

My manager is like this. I don't know how to him it's easier to talk about something technical over the phone rather than in chat or email. When talking to people about IT crap, you have to sugar coat and use euphemisms which I don't have to do as much in email and the benefit with email is I can convey literally what I'm trying to do. My manager just doesn't want to fucking ready my emails.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Yeah, why would anyone want to have a two minute phone conversation when they could exchange the same amount of information over 20 emails across three days?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 day ago

Or like, you know, focus for a second and read the message instead of seeing text and responding only to first sentence, if not just the title xD

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

Honestly: the medium does not matter all that much imho. The one person in the conversation not being able to get their shit together is the problem. If everyone involved can communicate what they want to get done by when and what i have to do with it, im fine with a phonecall. Im even willing to summarize it via text afterwards if i don't have to be the fucking rubber ducky again. Ugh.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Me: yes

Me after the call: "could you send a summary of what we discussed?"

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I'll even slip in a passive aggressive, "this is why I prefer emails" or, "maybe next time you can just send me this"

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

"This meeting could have been an email. That I accidentally deleted."

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

I'm gonna want a paper trail, so let's just cut out the middle step and do it by email from the start

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

As long as they ask before they call it's no problem. If they call without writing first it's annoying

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Yep, I'm the senior member of my team at work and I have to train a lot of newbies. When my supervisor tells me to start my training I message the person on teams to make sure their ready, then call them, then either share my screen or have them share their screen.

I work in international freight and every shipment is different, it would take 30 minutes to type out everything they need to know for every individual shipment. If I can show them while talking about each aspect it only takes 2 or 3 minutes per shipment.

And I'm someone who hates talking on the phone and screen sharing, but sometimes it's just what you have to do to get the job done efficiently.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago (3 children)

If they need to call me it's either actually complicated, or (much more likely) they haven't spent enough time to refine their idea to where they could just write it down.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

Or they can't fucking write. I'm a programmer and many of my colleagues over the years have been entirely unable to form a coherent idea into a sentence or paragraph. For a lot of them, that's why they became programmers in the first place.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

I often end up being a rubber duck.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago

Nine times out of ten it's the second one. I don't mind being a sounding board for some people, but so many sloppy thinkers just don't understand and don't want to make the effort.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

"did you leave the milk out of the fridge?"

Usually such a simple yes/no answer in my experience.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I used to be like this, then realize when I die, all these moments will just be erased to history, so I'm like, whatever man. Can't escape it, banking problems, job interview calls, etc...

But online multiplay game voice chat? Nah fuck that, aint touching that radioactive shit, I aint playing multiplayer if that's a requirement. I'll die on this hill.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

If you have a male sounding voice and you are open and friendly and communicate well, gaming voice chats can be a good experience, depending on the game. Mostly they aren't, though.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

I have a male voice and I communicate well but I’m not friendly and fuck voice chats for multiplayer games. Fuck that shit to hell.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

I think I'm gonna get a lot of people screaming at me for poor aim.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

Honestly today I'm mostly thinking "I have other shit to worry about, like the pie in the oven". Ain't nobody got time for worrying about phone calls

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

That's my sister. Good fucking god. I don't care about the supposed drama of your workplace. It is not interesting. You'd think that my tone would be enough to get thru her thick skull that I HATE TALKING ON THE PHONE but noooo...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

Aww she just wants an outlet 🥲

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I'm mostly this way, but not today.

I had someone with an issue signing up for an account mention that they were not successful because when they tried to sign up, they got a message that they weren't eligible because there was already an account using that email address.

I told them if they have a Gmail account, just use the + addressing feature, otherwise, just create a Gmail account.

Someone else responded on the first person's account "But they don't have Gmail, so they can't do it."

Let me tell you, THIS is a situation where a call is necessary. There's nothing I can type that will suddenly unravel the layers here and that won't lead to more layers being laid. It will be 100000000000000% easier and less time consuming to schedule a meeting/call and talk through this than it would be to continue this discussion in text format.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I told them if they have a Gmail account, just use the + addressing feature, otherwise, just create a Gmail account.

If they couldn't get a login reset sent to their email, then that's broken. If they have to create a new email account just for you, that's bullshit, too.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If they couldn’t get a login reset sent to their email, then that’s broken.

How is that in any way relevant to the situation I am talking about, though?

If they have to create a new email account just for you, that’s bullshit, too.

While I would agree, that also seems irrelevant to my situation. Tell you what, seems like there are some misunderstandings, miscommunications, and/or incorrect assumptions being made here. Rather than me having to completely rewrite what I wrote previously based on guesses about where those misunderstandings may lie and which incorrect assumptions are being made, let's just schedule a quick call.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago

Or maybe your written communication is weak.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I find zoom calls to be much more helpful than in person. In person I have to bring my laptop, point to things, find a place where we can both sit, and probably send you code snippets over chat anyway, not to mention literally looking over your shoulder.

meatspace is deprecated, get over it corpos.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

Depends on the problem. For design and architecture level, sometimes even data structures, a physical whiteboard is still king.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 days ago (2 children)

It's a pretty standard bandwidth/latency tradeoff in my view: email is high bandwidth (it's in writing, you can re-read, etc.), whereas phone is low latency (several back-and-forth explanations can happen in seconds). Each has its place.

If social anxiety is a factor, that's a perfectly valid, but separate, issue.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

email is high bandwidth

I don't think the reasons you stated are about bandwidth, and considering writing an email is IMO more effort than explaining on a phone call and will take me longer, I'd argue phone calls are higher bandwidth than email - at least in one on one conversations, since things change when you want to inform multiple people.

Though of course what you listed is important, and it sucks when people refuse to write out basic details that you could come back to later or forward to somebody else.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 days ago

I think my main problem is how disruptive it is to your focus. With text I can write a semi quick response then get back to what I was doing. Whereas a phone call requires me to drop everything and give a fellow human my full attention in realtime. It tends to drain my already small social battery.

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