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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago (3 children)

This reminds me of when I got Spore on Optical disc for my (brand new at the time) Intel iMac. The disc was ISO9660 with both Joliet and HFS extensions, so if you put it in Windows, it would show up natively and if you put it in a Mac, it would also be native.

After a few games in MacOSX I was disappointed with the performance so I started to dig and realised it was the Windows Binary with some sort of WINE-like translation layer. I assumed it would run better natively in Windows.

I installed Bootcamp and a stripped-down version of Windows Vista and then installed the native Windows version. It installed a Root kit that broke most of Vistas security and the game ran even worse and crashed constantly.

I don’t think that Microsoft deserves all the blame for games running like shit natively. The users who pirate games and the studios who don’t trust Windows users to not pirate games deserve the blame as well.

Microsoft (and Post-Jobs Apple) definitely do deserve a lot of blame for allowing their platforms to get so bloated with so many features that users don’t want. Copilot should have been laughed out of the boardroom and Apple Intelligence is an underperforming, overly obnoxious know-nothing know-it-all.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

But what you gain in performance you lose in data mining. Imagine not being graped for personal information after you paid extra to get it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I think you're mixing it up; the study shows that SteamOS has better performance than Windows, not the other way around. Seems to be a lose-lose for Windows.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago

I think you missed the joke.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I guess things run faster without the spyware, logging, and other general bullshit running in the background. Who could've guessed?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago (20 children)

Device made with software specifically for purpose performs better than generic machine with generic software designed to do a wide range of things. All of my machines are on Linux distros, but this just seems like a no brainer to me. It's like years ago when the mustang had a 4.6L V8. It was the same engine used in the Ford explorer. Will the Mustang beat the Explorer to 60, of course. But the Explorer will also transport 5 people to the beach with coolers and beach gear and drive in the sand.

It's good that SteamOS is doing well, but the variety of tasks people are using Windows for cannot be performed on SteamOS.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago

So does the application menu

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago (7 children)

Just to be clear, this is testing the same handheld on both Steam and Windows and is in line with previous findings on a small set of AAA games.

Best guess, as someone who runs both Linux and Windows on both handhelds and desktop gaming PCs, the issue here is probably memory and driver optimizations around them. Windows is just heavier than SteamOS and, while the 32 GB in the Legion Go should be enough for at least some of these tested games, they are shared between CPU and GPU. I don't have a Go S, but I've seen significant performance improvements on Windows handhelds by manually assignign more VRAM in heavy games like these.

Shame, I've been waiting for more thorough testing (more games, desktop hardware references and a deeper look at memory management in Windows, but this is pretty superficial still.

EDIT: For what it's worth, and I DON'T have the time or the setup to do a full set of benchmarks, but running South of Midnight on both Linux and Windows, same settings, same PC, just dual booting I got almost 2x the fps on Windows. That's suspicious the other way, I'd expect the difference to be less dramatic, so there may be some resolution stuff going on here. Or perhaps the DLAA I'm running on both runs slower on the Nvidia Linux drivers? I'll give one more game a try with no DLSS before I call it an experiment.

EDIT 2: Damn, this is why benchmarking modern games sucks. I tried Marvel's Midnight Suns (just because it was there on both) and... well, the performance is the same on both, but Windows is clearly bugged and stutters for like a second every couple of seconds, consistently. So it's really nice on Linux but entirely unplayable on Windows (on this machine, at least).

If I'm learning anything from this is that despite modern advances PC gaming is still a tinkerer's game and that I really wish Linux/Windows drive sharing was less flaky because it's increasingly obvious that dual booting is a great tool for gaming, given how temperamental modern big games are.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago (5 children)

The Legion Go only has 16GB of RAM natively.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Idk if I'd call pc gaming still a tinkerers game, it's 2025, console games have pretty glaring issues too.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Maybe wine/proton is just better at Windowsing than Windows is.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago (10 children)

It is in some ways. I can tell you I tried to run Prototype 2 on a handheld today and it didn't run natively on Windows 11 because it's old but putting it into a Proton session and keeping it contained did wonders for it and the Deck ran it maxed out at 90fps (you forget it can do that if you insist on playing modern games on it, but man, does it look nice on the OLED).

So hey, it certainly Windows 8s better than Windows 11. There is that.

But it's not magic, so I'd still like to figure out what we're seeing in these examples.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (7 children)

Never mind. You people are children.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago

Never mind. You people are children.

There's nothing else in your comment anymore. Why say anything in the first place if you're just going to change your mind about it and give up? There's something to be said for making up your mind before you talk. All your comment really says is "I have no convictions".

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago

Cry more :)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

That's just a stupid claim, SteamOS is Linux based, and every Linux distro generally have the same optimizations SteamOS has.
Windows is simply not as efficient as Linux is.
For instance multi threading has traditionally worked better in Linux, but there has also been made massive improvements in the kernel to improve graphics card performance, with entirely new technologies introduced a few years ago to achieve that.

These things also benefit CAD and other 3D-software, so it's not just a "gaming" thing. Linux is simply generally more efficient than Windows, at mostly any task.

Valve has done a lot to help improve game performance on Linux, and these improvements are merged into the respective main projects, like kernel and drivers and graphics libraries. The same is simply not possible in Windows, because Windows is proprietary.

Windows used to have a clear advantage in that all optimizations by GPU vendors and game developers were made primarily for Windows and Linux was just an afterthought. Also games were made for DirectX which is native for Windows, and a compatibility layer for Linux.
So for decades games made for both generally ran better on Windows.

So it is absolutely impressive that Linux can now run games faster than Windows. Despite having only a fraction the marketshare.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

You can install Steam on a perfectly standard distro, and achieve similar performance.
Show me the test that demonstrate games run faster on SteamOS than Arch which SteamOS derives from.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago

Running a translation layer that allows windows games to run

What OS are all games optimized for?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago

The amazing thing is that there is often a translation layer involved and it still runs faster. And as it was pointed out, this can also be achieved with a "normal" Linux system.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The fact that a 3rd party offers better performance than the platform’s creators is a pretty big indictment of Microsoft’s stewardship of Windows.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

You do realize you’re in a Linux gaming community?

You can quickly and easily filter this community out from being shown to you.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

From your replies it appears so.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Apparently it does to you.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Linux runs games faster even outside of Steam OS.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Except that it’s not. It’s just arch Linux with some modifications for the steam deck/handheld mode. It’s not like they built a new kernel specifically for the steam deck. Which is why the other persons correct.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago

It’s not like they built a new kernel specifically for the steam deck.

I agree that the majority of the impact being seen is from various components that aren't SteamOS specific, however Valve does actually have a custom kernel for the Steam Deck "linux-neptune" (there are quite a few mirrors for browsing, but this is the official source).

I believe most of their changes are just to drive the deck's hardware. Every now and then there are some changes that Valve contributes that lands there first before it gets upstreamed, for example the Arch Wiki calls out the Steam Deck's kernel as a way to fix issues between HDR & VRR (shouldn't be needed anymore on modern mainline kernels).

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