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NASA leveled by Trump (www.nasa.gov)

submitted 5 days ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Not only is Trump leveling science funding at NASA, like he did with the National Science Foundation, but look closely at the budget. Beginning next year at 800 million and by 2030, 3.5 billion (nearly 20% of its budget), NASA is required to work towards “Commercial Moon and Mars Infrastructure and Transportation”. The ultimate subsidy for the commercial space sector.

They also eliminated STEM engagement program, which provided funding for the next generation of scientists to participate in NASA opportunities. I can’t wait for all this greatness Trump has been preaching to arrive.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

and we'll call the company, Union Aerospace Corporation

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 5 days ago (3 children)

It's okay. Europe and China will replace the US and the world will be better off.

[+] [email protected] -28 points 5 days ago (8 children)

Hahaha y'all been saying that for a decade already don't you get bored?

China is dying too silly. Their housing bubble is a nightmare, their currency is not desirable and all their factory jobs are going overseas.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Their housing bubble is a nightmare, their currency is not desirable and all their factory jobs are going overseas.

Gee, that sounds familiar.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago (6 children)

Shit on China all you want. I know I do. The truth is though the CCP's already sending tons of rovers to the moon to find prime real estate and are heavily investing in reusable rockets like SpaceX. The US is gonna be humiliated when the next humans to return to the moon are Chinese nationals. Can we beat them before that happens? Yes, but we're making all the wrong moves both through government policy and many private space endeavors. Musk's already said he's more interested in Mars for example. The Artemis project keeps suffering severe setbacks due to it being driven by politicians and not NASA.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Nobody will be humiliated. If China gets to the moon first, great. Science is science and the long term experiments that are really worth it take too long for the originators to learn what happened or the winners to outshine anyone. For fuch sakes we are that pale blue dot...even if China gets to one side of the dot, we're still a single tiny ass dot.

I propose that we feed the billionaires to the zoo animals so we can continue to live a decent life.

The Gaza concentration camp nation and the Battle field of Ukraine have to stop. First item is to put put-in a box 6 feet under and fill it with acid so it doesn't come back. Next take all the Israel commanders and give them jail time and executions as necessary. I can't speak for other players in the game but you who don't live here might wanna state it so I can up vote it.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

Their housing bubble is a nightmare

You're saying that as if the US economy hasn't been a fucking bubble bath ever since the stock market got created. Bubbles don't matter apparently, which is stupid but this is the world we live in.

their currency is not desirable

That's the point, they don't want to make their wages incompetitively high by inflating their cost of living and thus nominal wages to the moon like the US.

all their factory jobs are going overseas.

That... is the goal? Factory jobs are low-added-value, you need educated people doing high wage jobs to become a developed country.

I'm not stanning China, there are plenty of shit things aobut the country, but looking from here in Europe, it looks like they are a better partner than the US. Both of them do genocide, have a shitty human rights record, have neocolonial tendencies, shitty worker's rights, no proper democracy, etc.

But China is at least stable as a trading partner.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (4 children)

Not that stable. Source: am Canadian. See Meng Wanzhou and the Michaels, and the police stations.

China: Don't meddle in our internal affairs.

Also China: We are going to meddle in your internal affairs.

The Chinese use trade as a weapon more than anyone but the US right now.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I think we agree on this.

Again, I'm not saying we should trust China, or that they are a positive force in the world, or even that we should indeed trade with them. We need to put our foot down about things like that.

All I'm saying is that the US somehow got worse than them. And by "stable", I don't mean "trustworthy" or anything, it's just that the US seems to be making a sport out of going back on deals, at least we can trust the CCP to look out for its own interests and not go back on the occasional win-win deal.

Again, I'm not saying that we should make more deals with China, but that the US is no better at this point, and we should figure out how to oust both their influences.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago

Yeah but they didn't have a Trump as a trump card

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Not sure that's true, but alright

[–] [email protected] -3 points 5 days ago (4 children)

Not sure about what? The US is certainly getting replaced, and we'll all be better off if the Great Satan isn't the center of scientific progress.

[+] [email protected] -9 points 5 days ago (3 children)

The great...Satan? ...Wat? Is that Europe orr... China?

[+] [email protected] -14 points 5 days ago (4 children)

I sincerely encourage you to check out documentaties about china that dont start with genocide. You will see that today its used as red scare.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago (8 children)

My country is in serious trouble but at least we never ran over protesting college students with tanks and then washed them down the drains.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Its totally okay to criticise crimes against humanity, as I said. But china hate is not rooted in reality. They did wrong, as did everyone else.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Lol so... you just willfully ignore the shit they do...got it

Fuckin tankies.

[+] [email protected] -9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

What you're doing is called a strawman.

Of course one should not ignore crimes against humanity. I'm saying we are reducing people, countries and systems based on what agenda we have today.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Lol no a strawman is presenting a different argument than what's being discussed. I said nothing of the sort and just called you out for your bullshit tankie thoughts. The USA isn't some bastion of freedom, but to act like china or russia is better by ignoring the shit they're currently doing is full on tankie ignorance.

[+] [email protected] -6 points 5 days ago (2 children)

check out documentaties about china that dont start with genocide

here is the argument

you just willfully ignore the shit they do

this is a strawman. I never said I'd want to ignore anything. You brought that up and tried to fight me for it. That is literally the meaning of a strawman. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

So no, you're trying to push red scare and that is at best naive or at worst deliberate antisocialist propaganda.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

You literally said ignore those about genocide lol that's you... quoting yourself. I called you out on it... ROFL

[–] [email protected] -5 points 5 days ago

I did not and I explained it well. This is going nowhere. You're going on the blocklist. Bye.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

You are doing the tankie thing again.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Feel free to elaborate.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I regard you as a bad faith debater. You just blocked a guy for pointing out your own words. So there's really nothing to add. My words would be wasted. You seem to have no real concept of a conversation. Feel free to block everyone else too. It doesn't hurt anyone.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 days ago

Why then even say something? The other person was dealing in bad faith themselves. I pointed out in good faith that it is okay to criticize china but its not okay to reduce someone solely on their former deeds. Its the same as calling germany a nazi shithole (but that is becoming increasingly true) today just because of the holocaust.

I blocked them because they were repeating themselves and being condescending, which i encourage everyone to do because debate isnt just being right but also being fair.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Because you seem confused, "Satan" here would be America's insane and unstable government body who is openly trying to dismantle scientific and medical research/funding that could improve our futures and the world imho <3

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 days ago (1 children)

You must be young. The Iranians and other parts of the middle east have referred to us since at least the 80s, and probably before.

When we brought a bunch of Nazis in after WWII and installed them in positions of importance (like heading NASA by Wernher von Braun) I think we gave them a pretty reasonable argument.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 days ago (3 children)

It's like everyday I learn more and more about how shitty this country's history is.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Don't worry, you're not wrong about China — what's going on in the U.S. is just more televised.

You know, because of the 'freedoms' and whatnot.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago

Arm up and say no fucking way goddammit

[–] [email protected] 45 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

So, Trump wants NASA to get to the Moon and Mars by 2030 while on a slashed budget with limited scientists? Get ready for more spacecraft to drop out of the sky.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago

Sadly, getting more places with less money is absolutely possible, but the key to making it happen is abandoning planetary science. It’s a shift from a paradigm where engineering exists to support planetary science efforts to engineering for engineering’s sake

[–] [email protected] 42 points 5 days ago

No, Trump does not want NASA to get to the Moon or Mars.

Trump wants NASA to be a tool that funnel money from the government to billionaires, aka Musk and Bezos

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 days ago

Nu-uh magic Musk is going to fix all our problems.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 5 days ago (1 children)

This is the same vibe as when the CEO gets a million dollar raise but we don't have money for cost of living increases this year.

Sorry USA kids. No astronaut program this summer. Dream smaller this year.

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[–] [email protected] 122 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

So, we all know what's going on here, right? They're gutting any part of our society that relies on intellectual work and trying to compete with motherfucking robots to bring factories back. They want to cram everyone into sweatshops. The plan was never to bring good jobs back, the plan was always live-in factories and suicide nets on the windows.

E: well, at least the Roman space telescope lives on, I guess. I'm unreasonably excited for it; it's already built and just needs to be launched, basically.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 days ago (3 children)

The plan was never to bring good jobs back, the plan was always live-in factories and suicide nets on the windows.

Bold of you to assume they'll spring for nets.

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

The Roman telescope will likely get shoved in storage. I work on it right now, we are talking internally about what this means. Obviously, I have no more information than you do, but the cuts are severe enough that there's no way we will be able to keep working on it at the current levels if this goes through.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 5 days ago

FUCK. Wishing you guys all the best!

[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Don’t forget that women and marginalized populations are now being discriminated against.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Now?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 days ago (2 children)

More openly than before with even less recourse.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago

They can carry weapons also.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago

You can shame them, now they wear it like a badge of honour.

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