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[–] [email protected] 43 points 3 days ago (20 children)

It annoys me that new trek got wrapped up in this discourse because my dislike of it is because of the image above

Old trek was super "woke" and optimistic, I see new trek as too focused on war and it paints the future as though they never achieved luxury space communism free of scarcity

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 3 days ago (8 children)

That argument is indeed stupid, but Kurtzman Trek is inferior in every other way.

  • the plots are often incoherent
  • the tone strays too far from what made classic Star Trek compelling
  • the overuse of action and spectacle comes at the expense of thoughtful Sci fi
  • Character development feels shallow to nonexistent
  • and so much more

Everything is just bad.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago (10 children)

That's my impression from DIS, but isn't SNW supposed to be decent?

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[–] [email protected] -2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

choose it's own sex and appearance

Data did not use contractions (as pointed out by his evil twin), so that would be "choose it is own sex and appearance"

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago (2 children)

You could've just pointed out that it was supposed to be "its" instead, which is also not a contraction lol

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I'm still irritated about that scene on behalf of Nimoy. Shatner should have been told to stuff his ego up his ass.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago (4 children)

What went wrong with that scene?

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Yeah, anyone who complains that Trek is suddenly all woke and political now never watched any classic Star Trek or hasn't been paying attention back then.

I've watched all of Star Trek on the big screens and the small ones at least once - including Section 31 - and it's as political as it has ever been. And there has always been brilliance and absolute dogshit. Those who say NuTrek is all shite don't know what they're talking about.

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[–] [email protected] 60 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I feel pretty much the same about anyone who complains about something being "woke", no matter the topic - if perceiving and objecting to harms against and struggles of others not like yourself offends you, if seeing others actively try to work in support of those others is something you just can't stomach, then you aren't someone whose opinion I care about.

Plus the folks making those complaints can rarely define what woke is, or struggle to without using language that will immediately "out" their actual objections.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 days ago (1 children)

If anyone ever uses the word woke you can automatically assume they're a moron who only gets outraged at what fox news tells them to be outraged at.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

TNG is "Old Trek" now. Thanks for ruining my day at 6:49am.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

No shit. I was reading as I was scrolling and I read “Old Trek” and saw Data and it didn’t make sense. It’s literally called “The Next Generation” because it was new after TOS.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Everything before the 2009 movie reboot is old trek, including Enterprise despite it's last episode airing only four years before JJ Abrams' movies were released.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

JJ Abrams’ movies were released.

Ha ha what are you talking about that's not a thing that ever happened ha ha ha

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago (7 children)

Wdym? Star Trek 2009 was an okay movie and Beyond was actually fine. Also I can absolutely recommend Strange New World and Prodigy. Lower Decks can also be fun if you're into fan service.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 3 days ago

Honestly, it was long before that when I tuned out zombie Star Trek forever.

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