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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

That is eleven reasons!

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 week ago (9 children)

A big part of it is the lack of sanely sized options, which is driven by a combination of confirmation bias ("the best sellers are all giant SUVs" when the only real options are giant SUVs), low gas prices, and incentives to manufacturers by classifying vehicles as trucks to get around emissions rules. We could undo a lot of it if we taxed and regulated giant SUVs and trucks the same way we do smaller cars, but that hits the profits of big auto and would be politically disadvantageous for anyone to try so they don't.

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[–] [email protected] 98 points 1 week ago (12 children)

I'mma give this one to the lady on the bottom right. Not for the reason she states, but if you got 7 kids you gotta pile in, a Corolla ain't gonna cut it.

[–] [email protected] 70 points 1 week ago (6 children)

A minivan will hold as many kids, is safer than an SUV, and they are on the smaller end of the SUV sizes.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Plus a minivan is 100x easier to get kids in and out of compared to an SUV. Honestly minivans might be peak transport vehicle form factor…

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

They are for peak for transporting 4-6 people and some cargo. Or a couple people and a lot of cargo. They are more fuel efficient than SUVs and use all the available space for their footprint up to the roofline.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Minivans are basically the mid sized truck version of vans.

That used to be literally true: back in the early '90s, the Ford Ranger pickup truck and the Ford Aerostar minivan shared a lot of parts (along with the Ford Explorer SUV).

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This ignores the role of advertising in making people want things.

They wouldn’t do it if it didn’t work.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Also the companies either not selling smaller models at all or selling under powered econobox trash.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago

YSK: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compliance_car

Some jurisdictions require that auto makers offer low or no emission vehicles, a vehicle is considered a "compliance car" if it is clear that the company producing it is only doing so in order to comply with these regulations, rather than viewing them as a source of profit. This is generally identified by low production volume, sales limited to only regions where the law requires it, and low effort design.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

The hurr-durr narrative is a bit disingenuous. It's not just the loony MAGA/Conservatives buying these cars as depicted in the comic, it's centrists and progressives who arguably have more money who are buying these cars.

I thought the main reason was price, EVs needing massive batteries, and automakers unwilling to pay small car taxes and opting more for light trucks to save costs.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago (3 children)

it’s centrists and progressives who arguably have more money who are buying these cars

What are they to buy alternatively? The basically non-existent sanely sized cars?

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Exactly, which is why I reject the premise of the comic. People are just buying what's available/affordable, not out of some ideological creed

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

The hurr-durr narrative is a bit disingenuous. It’s not just the loony MAGA/Conservatives buying these cars as depicted in the comic, it’s centrists and progressives who arguably have more money who are buying these cars.

to anyone who has to travel across the US for work you quickly start to realize that is hard to tell the Democrat and Republican drivers apart and this comic got both sides included

definitely two sides of the same coin

another common theme in the United States is the belief road signs are not really there especially speed limits

only a few drivers follow the road signs to the detriment of safety even in work zones

big vehicles with people that see no need to follow road rules are very common and the few drivers following the rules either get bumper humped or pulled over

very toxic driving environment in the US and at this point it would be safer without speed limits

also sedans do suck and are definitely too small but do drive all day so nether region room is important as much as cargo room is

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

You're right, and I shouldn't have painted all the progressives out of the picture like that. I guess I just meant to say that most people buy what they can rich or poor, rather than out of some belief

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

also sedans do suck

Nah. I had a 2005 Camry for almost two decades and it was pretty roomy, had a massive trunk, and was not very large at all.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

We have pretty small cars but we often are transporting six people. So we end up driving two cars pretty regularly. It's not so bad when we're just going across town, but we're traveling to Toronto and Florida for two trips this summer. We have rented a big SUV for trips like that before, but it costs more overall and sometimes it's nice to have two vehicles while we're there because we don't all six want to go the same place every moment of our week.

Most big SUVs I see have one person in them though.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Yes, technically I own one but it has major issues and we use it only as our version of a truck to go the two miles to the local Home Depot. It loses all power and will stop if you try to drive it up a hill. But I can fit a full sheet of plywood in the back with the middle seats out. We've tried renting minivans, but we've had two problems.

One is that they're never available - they'll take your reservation but when you show up to get it there are none available so they substitute a large SUV like a Chevy Tahoe. A Tahoe has way more space and would cost more to rent, which are benefits, but they're also far less fuel efficient which isn't great.

The other problem is space. A minivan can move six people but modern minivans don't really have space for luggage for six people for nine days in the back. I even own a nice hard sided roof luggage carrier I use with my Subaru Crosstrek, but rentals never have the roof bars you need to mount it up there.

For now, our little cars are decently fuel efficient. I would consider buying another minivan but our youngest is 15 so I think at some point soon we'll need less people-carrying capacity.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

This. The solution is a people-carrier. The ground clearance of an SUV or the cargo bed of a pickup truck won't help with anything.

The ID. Buzz looks pretty sick atm, but it's a tad expensive.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Plus it only has two cup holders.

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