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On the one hand, trying to have a 3rd party right now just splits the vote. But in the other hand, the current Democratic leadership is old people who grift as much as Republicans, but aren't pushing fascism. It's a shit show.
Can't have people agitating for change and meaningful opposition, that'd piss off the capitalists that pay all their bribes.
Leading up to the vote, the credentials committee had appeared torn on what to do. An initial resolution from Christine Pelosi, the daughter of former Speaker Nancy Pelosi, seeking to dismiss the complaint resulted in a tie vote. A second resolution calling for a new election with the same candidates who participated in February was eventually approved.
~~Why am I not surprised.~~ Someone corrected me below. I misread.
Christine Pelosi was trying to dismiss the complaint (i.e., make the elections stick).
While I generally bag on people with low literacy, I have to accept my own failure on this one. Apologies and thank you. My bias was working overdrive and / or I wasn't processing all the info.
Perhaps an edit on the original comment for people who didn't make it as deep? Good on you for admitting it, but the disinfo is still there.
Done.
They do that at their own risk. Hogg et all are one of the only good things at the DNC in recent memory
Like Bernie winning the DNC primary, Hogg was never supposed to win, just sit quietly for the appearance of diversity under the Neoliberal hegemony.
It's nothing that's thought out or insidious. That's the mental gymnastics the magats go to. They won because they won. There was no Machiavellian plan to use them etc. They won because they were who the people that voted for them to take those positions voted for. No more no less.
The issue is that as Americans we've let state and local parties atrophy in favor of the national parties. Which predictably were captured by national interest, that do not represent ours. And are often against us.
The views of Sanders and Hoag are in opposition to the desires of the wealthy donor class. That has largely funded Democrats since the breaking of the unions nearly 50 years ago. Until we take back the power of the parties at state and local levels. No National leadership president or otherwise will be coming to save us. And they will be nothing to us but an ally of necessity, ultimately another enemy. Because ultimately National parties need to be abolished.
Actually it is that thought out and insidious
And people being ignorant of this truth do equal damage as the Republicans who are loyal to their opressors.
The DNC is a privately controlled organization that has the goal of being the only option left of fascism.
And playing devils advocate out of ignorance is worse than doing nothing.
Shaking my head for why I try to engage with you in good faith. Now I'm reminded why I down vote you more often than not. Falling back on strawman BS like that. Brain rotted conspiracy theory logic. I've never disputed that any of that happened. But it's not largely relevant and more either. And in the end the dissolution of national parties is the only thing that will fix it.
Though it is Rich to see a conspiracy theorist still trying to litigate symptomatic events from over a decade ago. Claiming them to be causal without even providing any actual viable evidence or links. While calling everyone else ignorant.
Dude point out a single thing i said that was not true
Blatantly observable reality is not a conspiracy lmao
You wana talk about fallacies?
You're deflecting.
Btw strawman doesn't apply to real things like private political organizations.
The DNC has the right to conduct their elections however they want, they don't even have to hold elections, this is not how a party that values democracy would function.
Less not true then just not relevant to anything today. Listen I'm not the one that's trying to portray Hillary Clinton or the clintons in general as Shadow puppeting the whole National Democratic party a decade on after her disgraced final run for office. That's you. And if you only get just a little bit further out there. Next thing we know you'll be making claims at her harvesting children's adrenochrome in a pizza parlor basement to control politics for the next century.
Show me anything recently related to that. It's very telling that that's where you choose to go. Not actual recent events or information to back that up. You have to go back to that. If I didn't actually understand burning and believe in him. It would almost make me embarrassed to have voted for him simply to be associated with people like yourself.
Do conspiracies happen? Absolutely. But they're generally not very long lived. Nor do they tend to involve very many people. For obvious reasons. But they are almost always used to justify sweeping bad claims and logic. When there are often much simpler straightforward reasons for everything. You are literally accusing Hillary Clinton of still having control of the Democratic Party? The woman who was beaten by Obama and trump. And who is no longer active or relevant. Tell me that doesn't seem a little crazy.
You want me to show you infomration about "harvesting children's adrenochrome in a pizza parlor basement to control politics for the next century."?
Lol jk
If you want a more recent example, in 2024 they had nobody to run against Biden who would also be 100% under their control so they decided to not even have a primary last year and try to run him again.
The DNC has a long history of controlling their primaries such that their preferred canidate will get the most votes. The thing that made 2016 significant is they almost fucked up. The last primary they allowed non-Neoliberals to run they almost lost control of the party to progressives.
You are literally accusing Hillary Clinton of still having control of the Democratic Party?
Not what i said at all. Hillary failed so the DNC cast her aside as a failed canidate that they had wasted too much time to groom.
I think the same group of people have been leadership or controlled the leadership of the DNC for decades, and they are rejecting progressivism to defend against new people ursurping them.