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[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 week ago (11 children)

You could make just as good a case that it’s the other way around.

A salaried employee makes the same amount of money whether they please people or not. Since pleasing people does not earn them extra income, they often won’t do it, and often their jobs even specifically require being an asshole (managers, supervisors, etc.) at least some of the time.

Someone who works for tips on the other hand can increase their pay quite a bit by pleasing people. And many professional assholes will actually tip quite well for good service, because being around other professional assholes all day can be quite tiring, and being generous for a change is a good way to unwind from that.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago (8 children)

In the US, servers and restaurant staff tip like 100% of the time they go out because they know how important it is with our current pay laws, and they know that the waiter expecting that tip isn't the one making the laws or who deserves to be punished for them. So that tip is almost always going to someone else who also tips.

Btw, don't bother arguing with me that tipping is wrong so we shouldn't do it. I agree that it's wrong, but abstaining punishes the wrong people (servers, not owners or policymakers). So instead of writing a comment, write a letter to you local govt to eliminate sub-minimum wages for tipped workers, and keep tipping poor waiters and drivers til they change something.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

All the things I've read say that a majority of tipped workers (as well as the general population) prefer the current tips system. Maybe it's not true, but looking at the comments here it seems accurate.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Former tipped employee here. This is probably correct, but I don't care. The majority is often wrong. They can be educated. Change is scary, and the people who benefit from the status quo demonize changes that will give them less power.

I would probably have made less money if paid a salary, but it would be worth it to not have to balance priorities between getting a good tip and following restaurant policies.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (7 children)

I want to share my perspective on this as someone who works for tips.

I don't like tips in theory, but I'd be below the poverty line without tips so I really appreciate them. I also enjoy that they act as a mechanism to adjust my wage to the work I'm actually doing; I produce much more value as an employee on a busy day than when it's dead, and without tips I'd make the same amount despite working much more.

I think realistically, unless we also massively adjust how the labour economy works, eliminating tipping would make profits higher for owners and make service industry workers poorer.

Like I'd gladly trade my tips for universal basic income, I would not trade my tips for poverty wages.

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[–] [email protected] 86 points 1 week ago (24 children)

We should end tipping culture. Wages should never be optional, and anyone working full time should be paid by their employer a living wage as described by FDR when the minimum wage was created.

Until we end tipping culture, tip your servers. You're not some edgy social justice warrior by quoting Mr. Pink and acting like keeping your two dollars is somehow helping. You're just an asshole.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Until we end tipping culture, tip your servers.

If everyone continues to tip by default, then I believe this will delay or prevent an end to the culture. If servers don't have an issue with tipping (because everyone does so), then there is less reason to support change.

If one person doesn't tip:

You're just an asshole.

If a large majority doesn't tip:

Maybe there is a problem with tipping by default?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (5 children)

That's not how anything works. If you want change, you need to vote for it. You're not going to change the entire economic structure of the whole restaurant industry by being a selfish asshole. You're just punishing the people who handle your food and making life harder for everyone.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If the large majority doesn't tip, wait staff will become homeless. That's the only "message" you're sending. Restaurant owners won't care in the slightest.

Don't patronize organizations that don't pay their employees. This is the message, you're claiming you want to send. You have to take money away from the people who set the policy, not the worker who has to live under the policy. Find restaurants that refuse tips and spend your money there. (Or just don't go out.)

Until we end tipping, tip your servers.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Well in Australia we don't have tipping.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The whole point of that scene was that even a room of psychotic killers was disgusted by the idea of not tipping.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Lol... How is this a meme.

Anyway, just avoid joints that need tipping. Fuck the restaurant industry and their fucking owners. I am done with that shite

Tipping amount goes up and quality of food and service down

Then they act indignant when three dudes need the check separate 🤡

WTF am I tipoing for, asshole?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Anyway, just avoid joints that need tipping.

That was always encouraged. If you don't want to tip, don't eat at restaurants in places where tipping is relied upon.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

I tip cash so the server doesn't need to share the tip with anyone when I do go out...

Remember folks this is an adversarial arrangement, fuck the owner 🐸

[–] [email protected] 113 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I'd find it almost funny, how much capitalism as a system seems to favor those who are most capable and willing to detach morality from their actions for capital gain, if it weren't so sad.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 week ago (2 children)

There are good criticisms of other economic systems that have been tried, but capitalism really seems designed to transfer the most power and resources to the greediest and least ethical.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 week ago

No but you don’t understand.

Capitalism works because it pits everyone against each other and so even though every single person is greedy and unethical, they begrudgingly improve society overall because of reasons.

All we have to do is make sure we teach every child that all humans are fundamentally greedy and evil and the only ethical response is to out-greedy and out-evil them.

And then we’ll have a prosperous society!

  • Adam Smith basically
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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Insert Winston Churchill quote here.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago (7 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That depends entirely upon the context. There are many situations where not tipping is rude. There are also situations where tipping is rude. "Rude" is a quality related to social expectations. You can be unintentionally rude due to ignorance of the norms, and that doesn't necessarily make you a bad person. But if you knowingly refuse to tip when tipping is expected for a provided service, then you're a shitbag.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (3 children)

then you’re a shitbag.

Not those refusing to pay them properly?

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 week ago

Yes, the people refusing to pay them properly are the shitbags. The employer is a shitbag, and the customer who refuses to tip is a shitbag.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

If you knowingly buy chinese goods produced with slave labor you're a shitbag and they're a shitbag. There can be more than one shitbag in the chain.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

slave labor

china

lmao you could have said coco or diamonds or meat packing or the World Cup or gestured vaguely at the country with the highest prison population, but you had to go with the fictional example. Or do you genuinely think China has slaves driving combine harvesters (unlike Angola or a dozen other prisons where slaves pick cotton by hand)?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 week ago (9 children)
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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

how far do you want to take it, though? who made your socks?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

https://carolinahosiery.com/ And I can not recommend them enough. Seriously the best work socks I've found.

I want to take it as far as it needs to go.

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[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

If someone is not even attempting to getting the law that allows their core income to come from tips changed that makes one complicit and therefore obligated to tip.

If you are fine with server's primary income coming from tips then you are obligated to tip.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If you're somewhere like Australia or Japan, where it's not a normal part of the culture, then fine

If you're somewhere in the US where the laws around pay are shitty, and people rely on tips to survive, then you're a cunt for not tipping

I think tipping is shit, and that people should just be paid properly, but I'm not blind to the realities of life when I travel. So I do what is appropriate to be a decent person

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Wouldn't that typically be called an enabler?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

No, it would be called complying with the system that exists.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (4 children)

An individual not tipping has no impact on the status quo because the system doesn't care about the reason people don't tip.

A large number of people choosing not to purchase goods and services from businesses that rely on tipping could possibly have an impact, although it would probably be easier to get the laws changed than organize that many people.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 week ago

sounds like the kind of argument that got Trump elected

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