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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I don't want to be rich, I want to have enough money to have the following:

  • Hobbies
  • A garden (even if it's a shared garden)
  • Food on my table
  • A home
  • Maybe a vacation every couple of years

I currently have enough money for all of those except the garden because I can only afford a flat and my freeholders don't allow you to do any gardening.

The rest of my money can go to things I also want but not directly, like:

  • A well educated population
  • No homeless people
  • No crime
  • Healthcare for all
  • Good parks and public services

I don't need any more money than what will get me that! I'll even take out the garden if I means I only have to work four days a week. If I had a billion dollars, what would I even do with it? That's far too much money!

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I'm utterly convinced that whatever is going on mentally with people who have a hoarding problem is the same thing billionaires have as well except with money. It's literally a mental illness.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

That's the revolution I will get behind

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago

I have financial security, I want everyone to have that.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 day ago

“They’re rabid humans. Rabid with greed. They should be put down like the rabid dogs they are”

  • Bill Burr
[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I want $50,000,000 so I can park it in the bank and live off 2-3% interest for the rest of my life. Anything else I'll just donate or whatever while I volunteer or work a low paying job that's fun and rewarding.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

2-3 Million € would be enough to comfortably live off and be at or close to 0 when I kick the bucket. If I somehow won that much, I'd not work a day in my life ever again.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

£600,000 would be enough for me to quit work. Buy a house and then do odd jobs to supplement money for the remainder of my life.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think you might be underestimating the ongoing costs of owning a house as many people do. Or we have a different understanding of odd jobs.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I can buy a house near me for £100,000. That means I have £500,000 left to earn interest on steadily.

Without taking in pay rises I will be working for the next 25 years and won’t earn too much more than £500,000 anyway. I am lucky in that my job is very chill and my salary is for 33 hours a week and we get 4 weeks holiday at the moment. Will rise to 5 weeks.

I class odd jobs as maybe a Saturday job or several days a week. I am also good at just learning how to do things myself. Need to do some joinery great I’ve got all the time in the world.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I can buy a house near me for £100,000.

For that I couldn't even buy a piece of empty land for a house to stand on.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

UK still has some cheaper areas. I know a guy that bought one near Burnley for £60k. Like the whole estate went to shit and so many got sold for this price. They needed a lot of work and the dude I know is a builder so he spent two years working and now it’s livable. Sadly he did it to rent out, but I would live in a shit whole. If I own it.

The town I live now is pretty rough, although we live in the nicer area but I’ve grown up working class and people ain’t that bad.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

That's another thing: You can certainly buy older, cheaper objects if you're competent in doing a lot of things yourself. But with rising energy prices, the necessary transition in e.g. heating technology and so on, I wouldn't be able to do all the work that would be required to get an old house up to a somewhat modern standard where I won't be actively harming climate and paying out of my nose for gas (or even worse, oil) to stay warm in winter.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 day ago

There is a reason you never hear of normal working people coming into a lot of money and turning it into billions. It takes some serious mental illness that usually is hereditary to have the drive to exploit soo many people for so long. Billionaires are special alright. But they are the kind of special the world could do without.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

I want enough money to afford a small apartment, food, utilities, and healthcare.

(Yes I know im asking for a lot under this capitalist tyranny)

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I would like the luxury of choice of food, I know it's a lot.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Even better, the luxury of food without microplastics

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

I mean I'll take a lil microplastic if it comes in a kebab

[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 day ago (4 children)

If I had a billion dollars I wouldn't work another fucking day in my life.

Billionaires have more money than they could ever spend, and spend so much time and effort trying to increase the size of the hoard and make sure they don't have to pay an extra fraction of it in taxes. It's a sickness.

You don't become a billionaire without being mentally ill, and for some reason we think the mentally ill are the most fit to run corporations.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Hell, you can give away 990 million of it, buy a house, put what's left in a high yield savings account, and live comfortably on the interest alone for the rest of your life.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 23 hours ago

And that is why there is no such thing as an ethical billionaire.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago

Once you have more than say 500million dollars, your bank account becomes purely a highscore entry

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 day ago (1 children)
  1. It is possible to spend hundreds of millions of dollars on a yacht, and billions on space travel.

  2. Sociopathic behavior is desirable in corporate leaders, and Infinite Growth is good for board members and shareholders.

  3. Growing the hoard can be it's own game similar to idle games or gatcha games.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago

It is possible to spend hundreds of millions of dollars on a yacht

A massive waste of resources and damaging to the planet. Something a sociopath would acquire.

billions on space travel

Cool. Let governments do that then. We don't need to corporatize space.

Infinite Growth is good for board members and shareholders.

Infinite growth in a finite system is cancer. It kills the host every time

Growing the hoard can be it's own game similar to idle games or gatcha games.

When the horde you're growing is resources other people need to survive you can go fuck yourself. Go play a gatcha game instead.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

They are, because corporations are about taking as much profits away from others as possible and getting them for yourself. Its nothing nice about it. But it gives jobs.

This entire society is built on just taking resources, taking land, taking power from someone else, so you can benefit and not the others.

If there would be cooperation instead, humans could make a dream world here. But they cant. Its just in their fucking heads that they need to take more from others instead of sharing.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I have been considering at what point is accumulation immortal.

Clearly, location matters. I think certainly by $100 million, one is immoral ($4 million to safety spend each year.) Perhaps $10 million is immoral. I am fairly certain $5 million ($200K to spend in a year) is okay. I am confident that $1 million is fine ($40K per year.)

Thoughs?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

My idea is to implement a wealth tax rate of 3% on everything above an exempt amount of $10 million, that is to be paid annually.

This way, there is no hard limit. You can have more money without going to jail, but you have to help the community.


The rule would work something like this:

  1. the rule applies to all citizens of the United States
  2. calculate the total wealth of the person:
    • items such as money on bank accounts, shares in companies, real estate, and other valuables are estimated and added
    • debts and other negative value can be deducted
  3. if the amount is less than $10 million, no taxes are paid
  4. otherwise, subtract $10 million from the total net worth, then multiply by 0.03, that is the value that you have to pay

this procedure is to be repeated annually

to prevent people from giving up their US citizenship and taking on the citizenship of some other country, which may not have a wealth tax, there needs to be a way to make sure the US citizenship remains attractive to people. for example, if you do not have US citizenship, you're not allowed to possess more than $10 million in total wealth inside the US, i.e. in real estate, company shares and bank accounts.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

My idea is to implement a wealth tax rate of 3% on everything above an exempt amount of $10 million, that is to be paid annually.

Not enough. Their fortunes need to actually shrink when above a certain amount. 7%+ is where we need to be to even counter their annual growth.

Accumulating that much wealth isn't just bad because it's unfair, it's bad because it gives them so much influence in politics, economy and society which damages Democracy and markets.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

You put the finger in the wound with that ruleset though - first the negative of what you've said:

if you don't allow debt to be calculated against you fuck Up people who literally want to invest in their future (buying machinery for their dream job for example).

If you do allow debt dedication then you get the status quo: oh I do owe a yacht but I have w huge debt on that - sure I have a collateral against that debt but here is clever accounting and suddenly the net worth of the billionaire is negative on paper.

I really like what you've described, I only lack the fantasy on how to avoid this banking exploitation by peiple who are smarter and more ruthless than me. :(

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

That's called a wealth tax and it exists in (for example) the Netherlands. All assets except your house over 57k€ are taxed every year.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

my first assumption is being more wealthy than 95% of the population is immoral
But if hypothetically if everyone had 5 million and you have 5 million + one, I wouldn't say having $1 more is immoral.

idk, that's an interesting question. That's gonna be in my head for a while lol

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

4% interest is an odd assumption, but the amounts makes some sense considering that 100K per year is an amount someone can reasonably live off of with a house.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

4% is widely used as a safe withdrawal rate. It's based on modelling with historical data of market returns and achieving a near 100% probability of not drawing down your principle over the long term.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I just wanna get baked and fix bicycles.... but that won't cover my rent and feed my family

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Are you in the US? Move to a country which actually respects bikes (and weed) like the Netherlands and it might tbh. Disclaimer: I'm not from there but I am from a nearby European country, and I know there's always a shortage of bike mechanics, enough so that the courses get subsidised.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Man, weed, sex workers, bicycles AND cobblestone... the Netherlands has it all!

All kidding aside, I love the videos that Not Just Bikes makes on the infrastructure in the EU

It's very foreign to me to understand a society that values bicycle mechanics. In the US it can be very different

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

The hate isn't exactly on the billionaires themselves, its the system.

You chop one head off, another will just take its place.

The entire system needs to be dismantled.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I have had this conversation with my semi wealthy friends ... one friend in particular who probably has million or two in wealth. Not super wealthy but wealthy enough.

I've debated with him that there should be a wealth cap in society to not allow any one person to have such obscene amounts of wealth and that society should impose a wealth cap. He argued that this is a terrible idea because it would remove the incentive for everyone to want to achieve higher amounts of wealth ... it would demotivate people from wanting to achieve business and development. But he justified it by saying that he didn't like the idea and that it wasn't just about the money, it was the idea.

I'm beginning to think that many or most people are just preprogrammed to believe or want to believe in Gods and God Kings. That many or most people believe in the idea that there should be haves and have nots and that there is no solution that they could imagine to solve that situation.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

This narrative keeps being peddled by capitalists, but it is false.

Humans are often intrinsically motivated. People dont get more money by working at a soup kitchen. They dont get financial rewards for looking after their grandchildren....

Capitalists need to instill this idea that everything needs to be motivated by money and every interaction between humans needs to be commodified. Otherwise the greedy hoarders would be exposed as such at the system would collapse as people help each other just because it is the right thing to do.

Networks of mutual aid and care are politically dangerous To capitalism as it means resilient people who value life over money. These need to be crushed for capitalism to prevail.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I’ve calculated that I could retire right now on $3 million USD, and be able to maintain my current salary, with cost of living increases each year until I die.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

Glad you have a target.

One tweek you may consider. As you won't be saving for retirement in retirement, focusing on matching current spending not salary may produce a more enjoyable number. Otherwise a salary raise will push back the retirement date.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

I wanna be rich but I'm fine with giving some of my money to people who need it

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