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This book is licensed for your personal enjoyment only. This book may not be re-sold or given away to other people. If you would like to share this book with another person, please purchase an additional copy for each recipient. If you're reading this book and did not purchase it, or if it was not purchased for your use only, please purchase your own copy.

I found this notice on the copyright page of something I bought at a recent used book sale. I can't recall seeing a warning so overtly hostile to book borrowers and hope I never do again. I know about the first sale doctrine, and that this is completely unenforceable, but it still offends me. Should I contact the author for instructions on returning it unread?

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

reminds me of the good ol, fuck you license license

FUCK YOUR LICENSE

You may not reproduce, distribute, or create derivative works from this work.

You may not view, access, or use this work in any way.

You may not download, install, or execute the software described or contained in this work.

You are not allowed.

The author of this software denies ever creating it. This software doesn't exist, and is a figment of your imagination. You are insane.

If you are seeing this notice, you are doing so without permission.

Just seeing these words means you're a pirate. Arrrrrrrr.

If you attempt to reproduce, distribute, create derivative works from, view, access, modify, download, install, or execute this software in any way, you are in violation of this license and are probably in violation of some bullshit laws that some officious prick of a lawmaker decided on without your consent or knowledge.

Fuck you and fuck your license.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Sonic the Hedgehog tried to tell me that too

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Just ignore it. It is not enforceable.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 days ago

Pretty sure the only solution to this is to rip out the page, band it to a brick, and throw said brick through the publisher's window

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago

Not sure what the rest looked like, but some newer authors have the unfortunate inexperience that results in copy/pasting those pages. I've seen this exact wording out there before and I suspect that the rest also includes some iffy sections. I'm fairly sure that whoever cooked up the one I saw was either making it up entirely and thinking that they could throw in anything they want and have it binding; or were outright generating it via one of the llm models.

Either way, whoever cooked it up, and anyone that copy pastes it like that don't understand how copyright works, at least here in the US, and I'm unaware of anywhere in the world where this would be legally enforceable at all. I've looked, to the best of my ability, but only so deep.

What's kinda dumb is that there are a ton of options that are used by publishing companies that you know are written up correctly, and are easy to find. Iirc, the etail booksellers all have copyright pages available as well.

It's like trying to home brew your own contracts; yeah you can do it, but you'll screw up.

But, yeah contact the author since it's self published. Let them know the text as is not only isn't enforceable, but arguments could be made that it invalidates the rest of their boilerplate copyright page. I've never heard of it being challenged in court, but other forms of licensing can be invalidated in entirety by one bad section.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

It's a violation of the first sale doctrine. They can ask, but cannot legally prevent the resale.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine

The first-sale doctrine creates a basic exception to the copyright holder's distribution right. Once the work is lawfully sold or even transferred gratuitously, the copyright owner's interest in the material object in which the copyrighted work is embodied is exhausted. The owner of the material object can then dispose of it as they see fit. Thus, one who buys a copy of a book is entitled to resell it, rent it, give it away, or destroy it.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This sounds straight out of early 'oughts Napster panic. Did Metallica write a book?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago

If someone who previously purchased the book, no longer wants it...does that mean they should throw it away? That's a heinous act of violence, in my opinion. Books should be cared for. If you are no longer in a position to preserve that copy, you have an obligation to pass it along to someone who can.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Decline the license. Now you are limited to just the basic rights that copyright law gives, which includes the ability to resell or lend the book.

I would just remove that page physically from the book.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 days ago

Once the copyright holder sells or gifts the book they no longer can control it. The only right they still hold is copyright. Their distribution right is exhausted.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

Sounds a bit like a digital copyright with DRM strong-armed into physical book.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I knit and crochet, and sometimes pattern writers will try to forbid people from selling the items made with their patterns, which is nonsense. The pattern itself is copyrighted, but not the item made with the pattern. I always find it vaguely annoying, and hope people don't buy into it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

The same thing happens with a lot of models for 3D printing.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You can’t even copyright the pattern in the same way you can’t copyright recipes.

The web page or printed page the pattern is on can be copyrighted. Photos or drawings accompanying the pattern can be copyrighted. But, patterns cannot be copyrighted.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I don't think that's true, at least in the US. Patterns can be copyrighted, but since there are so many iterations of similar styles and patterns, it's probably tough to enforce (not that I've ever tried.)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

In the USA they definitely cannot be copyrighted. They can try to add on a license agreement but those have not been tested in court.

https://library.osu.edu/site/copyright/2014/07/14/patterns-and-copyright-protections/

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 days ago (1 children)

For what it’s worth the author may not know that warning is there OR if it was self-published it was maybe a default notice automatically added by their publishing tool/software.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 days ago (2 children)

It does appear to be self-published, by a local author. He should have known of and approved what boilerplate he was attaching to his text.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

The terms have no legal standing in the United States. The first-sale doctrine limits right holders ability to restrict resales of their work.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago

He should have known of and approved what boilerplate he was attaching to his text.

Agreed. Sometimes it’s better to give people the benefit of the doubt and assume honest mistake until they demonstrate otherwise though.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I might sound like a dunce, but does this have any legal standing? A library could not stock this book? In the USA, I suppose?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

According to their online catalog, there in fact is a copy in my local public library. According to the statewide database, there's another library copy next county over (in the author's hometown).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago
[–] [email protected] 51 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I once visited the web site of an author whose series I was enjoying and was surprised by her angry insistence that selling used books is theft because the author doesn't get a cut. Never bought the rest of the series. It just felt weird.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

When I decide I can't support an author, I specifically buy the books used. Maybe that's an option for you, here.

I got my kid the whole Harry potter series second hand from thrift stores, cost me maybe 15$ total, didn't finance Rowling at all. Took me a bit, they only show up once in a while.

That or straight up piracy. Author gets the same 0$ either way.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I could probably find the rest of the series on Z-lib, if I wanted to, but reading them would feel like engaging with the author as a person more than I now want. There's plenty of authors who don't speak negatively of readers who get their books used. I'd rather give them my time and attention.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

That's very fair. Plenty of books out there.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I’ve had the same problem. Like books I genuinely enjoy. Then I find the authors twitter or bluesky, the author is upper middle class, yet they demonise piracy and get super mad people would dare pirate their 25$ book.

That just icks me.

Like their book was anticapitalist, but here they are blind to the fact some people can’t afford books and we shouldn’t be gatekeeping knowledge. Ewww.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Book prices have gotten ridiculous. Independently published ebooks aren't bad, but that fact that the cheapest physical books you can find new are around $10, and $20-40 is common, puts them way out of reach of what I would buy regularly.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Pirating an anticapitalist book sounds so morally correct

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

but it also kinda implies it's not a great anticapitalist book, as a truly anticapitalist author would outright make the book public domain.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

While I agree an anticapitalist author would lean that way, I don't agree with the implication that you need an anticapitalist author to write a good book.

It just means they know the truth, and decided to be capitalist, anyway. Ignorant people can be educated, but this author understood the cause and sold us out for money, instead of joining.

Naturally, I won't be supporting them.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

YUP.

I get it if the author is in poverty. But in the case I’m referring to they were upper middle class, maybe even liberal eliteish.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Ranks up there with the copyright warning I once found that was: you may not quote or reference from this work for any reason unless it exactly aligns with the authors theological conclusions.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

Lol. I should start using that in arguments!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago

I really want to know which book now!

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 days ago

A book that’s anti library, interesting🤔

[–] [email protected] 85 points 2 days ago (3 children)

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 days ago

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 2 days ago (2 children)

You joke but I bet Amazon would love to do this with Audible.

Considering there were limited play DVDs for a while it doesn't seem unlikely someone tries this.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Flexplay is a trademark for a discontinued DVD-compatible optical video disc format with a time-limited (usually 48-hour) playback. They are often described as "self-destructing”, although the disc merely turns black or dark red and does not physically disintegrate.

Wow, TIL. I can’t imagine if this ever made its way to audio CDs.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago

The evil xvid variant.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago

the future capitalists dream of

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