At some point, someone is going to fire the first shot. Then it's open season on ICE agents. And you know what? I'm okay with that.
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These guys probably weren't even ICE. At this point, treat it like an attempted kidnapping, or better yet, an attempted 'robbing' of your employees, and give them a free sample of buckshot.
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Several restaurants pushed back on Tuesday. Here’s an actual article instead of a tweet:
https://www.washingtonian.com/2025/05/06/ice-agents-are-targeting-dc-restaurants/
Yeah, also it looks like the bird site OP has a substack newsletter with a post that goes into a bit more detail (but reports basically the same thing as that Washingtonian article) - https://migrantinsider.com/p/ice-in-dc-restaurants-brace-for-friday (arc)
More of this, please. Warrant or not, fuck ICE.
This is America, the most well armed nation in the world, push us far enough and that manilla folder gonna be full of holes.
Americans can’t even be bothered to get out and vote against this shit, they ain’t uprising against anything.
There will come a breaking point though. I hope to never see it, but there is a line that can be crossed that will move people to action. I'll admit, it might be further than it should be, but it's there. Americans may be complacent, but people are people
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Seems like a good time to remember that the nazi secret police were formed out of existing law enforcement agencies.
From the set up, I’d have expected the agents to have unleashed whatever was in that manila folder. You’d think it was important if it was one of the only things they brought in.
Now I’m thinking it was less ICE agents carrying a warrant and more “militia leader bought a pack of folders at Staples” and told his racist minions a folder will get you through doors like wearing hi-vis or a ladder will.
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We will end up with a general population that knows their immigration/civil liberties laws and rights, and how to exercise them.
It's going to be real interesting.
Spoiler: They do need a warrant.
Also "you are tresspassed" is a magical phrase that turns ICE agents into criminals and armed ICE agents into armed criminals that you can pull a weapon on.
Spoiler: They do need a warrant.
Oh yes, they do. Absolutely. They may do whatever they were gonna do, regardless, but standing up for your own rights and the rights of others helps to guarantee them all the way out.
And, sometimes, all it takes is someone willing to stand up and cry the actions of the state
Funnily enough the "second amendment" crowd has been completely silent about all this shit. But people really have to use those stand your ground laws.
I've given up on humanity after the racist Karen in Minneapolis raised a shitload of money off of a Christian based fundraising website while pretending to be the victim of calling a 5 year old racial slurs.
Like we have a problem. Society preinternet didn't have this problem, society after internet didn't have this problem you could be called a dick with no recourse.
Once society figured out you can just make money on being a racist asshole and be crowd funded for it, that's when society went to shit
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I'm not a big 2A guy, but I'm more than well armed and practiced, and I haven't shut up about shooting anyone attempting these kidnappings.
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Yeah but in this county that i reside in only law enforcement can trespass someone.
And they likely won't.
Owner / caretaker of any property can trespass anyone on their property. Law enforcement included. Which is why they need a warrant.
Only law enforcement can enforce the trespass. But you are trespassed when informed by a person with authority over the property that your presence is not welcome there. If they fail to leave, you can follow up in the courts.
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Bullies melt when faced with even the tiniest bit of resistance. Because they are fucking cowards. All bullies are fucking cowards.
They know what they’re doing is illegal, and they only get away with it because some people let them. Don’t be one of those people. When you see your rights being violated, resist! When you see the rights of others being violated, resist then too!
The actions of the manager of the restaurant Chang Chang were not only American, they were patriotic.
I don't think legitimate ICE agents would have backed down. Sounds like an attempted kidnapping...
They more than likely were with ICE. The agency has massively and rapidly expanded its enforcement personnel, and has done so in a haphazard way that has (deliberately) not given them an opportunity to properly train personnel up on procedures and rules and stuff. Nobody who wants to do good in the world is going to work for ICE right now. So, they've basically just done a presto gestapo, and a lot of times these guys really are just out there doing the sloppiest, shittiest, and most bully-like law enforcement you could possibly conceive of. I know where I'm posting this, I know what we all generally think of cops here, the current state of ice is about ten rungs down from that. We're talking real amateur hour shit, and they'll get away with it if people let them.
The good news is that apparently none of these fucking jokers seem to know or care how to cross t's and dot i's. You absolutely can send them packing, just like these folks did, and if they don't leave, then call your local sheriff's office or police dept. This is really dependent on your area, metro PD tend to be stocked full of major league assholes, but my local PD is actually pretty chill and has a good working relationship with the community; in my experience, sheriff's deputies tend to be people who got into law enforcement because they're true believers in the ideals of law enforcement (protecting life and property, accountability, etc) and constitutional justice, not because they want to flex on minorities. YMMV.
But if you think you can trust one of your local law enforcement agencies, absolutely call up 911 and tell them that you've got some people here that are trespassing (they've been told to leave and aren't), seem to be impersonating law enforcement (since they won't provide proof of ID), and you're worried that they're trying to kidnap someone, that you think these people are an imminent threat to your life or someone else's. That'll generally get the cops out there in a hurry, and they will likely be not very happy at all that ICE is out here putting on a fucking circus. That, or the agents will hear you and fucking split so that they don't get clowned on by local law enforcement. There have been plenty of instances of federal agents getting arrested while fucking around; mind you, they're almost never charged, but nobody walks away from that particularly happy.
Great advice. And anyone in authority at a place of employment that might be targeted should know exactly how they intend to respond, meaning they must plan for it. As soon as the thugs make themselves known, execute the plan - get one person on 911 doing what you said, while another confronts them directly to try to force them to leave.
I wonder if there are any resources giving concrete advice on what to do in these scenarios? Kind of like how we have great standard advice from various law professionals, etc., about what to do and not do when detained by police.
Edit to add: even if you expect the local PD to come down against your side, it's probably still a good idea to call them in. The resulting time and chaos as they get things sorted out may be just enough to do something useful for the vulnerable person needing help. Remember, once that person is in the custody of the gestapo, it's fucking over, their life is wrecked at best. See only what happened to Kilmar Abrego Garcia for proof.
That's one thing my campus has done decently--I know that to do if ICE shows up.
- they're not allowed to just walk in to non-public areas
- we call campus police (whose main jobs seems to be keeping students safe and keeping campus out of the news). Annoyingly, I work in a public building (the library) but my office is private, big, and has a lock on the door. I'm well stocked up in case of a shelter-in-place situation and I'm happy to wait until campus police shows up.
Fuck yeah, stay strong in the struggle my friend!
Thanks. It helps that I'm white enough I glow in the dark. My big worry is that many of my students might be first- and second-generation immigrants from south of the USA and I don't want them to have to deal with this bullshit.
(I say "might be" because I don't know anyone's immigration status and even if I did no I don't.)
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Make sure your local hasn’t agreed to enforce for ICE first. https://themarkup.org/tools/2025/04/16/law-enforcement-ice-cooperation-tracker
Very cool, my city says "No matching records found". That's great news!
Sound advice. I know that after a bunch of locals voiced concern about it, our chief said that they are absolutely not working with ICE, and their duty is to serving the whole community first and foremost.
That’s great, I hope most jurisdictions bring that same energy.
Me too. We've got a pretty good department here, and I hope we can keep it that way.
there is no such thing as a “legitimate ice agent” ;)
That's the problem when they never or rarely properly identify themselves. You can never truly know if they are to be believed.
I doubt they were actually ICE either.