"Libs only vote and think that's enough! You're required to murder people to join the club!"
"you can't vote fascists out of office
votes Fascists out of office
"Well uh still not good enough!"
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He is making good relations with Russia. That's probably why
Germany is closer than ever to a second fascist takeover, with the ruling CDU actively trying to normalize the AfD, and the latter now leading the polls, by far the highest they've ever been. They've also doubled their vote in the last election. So yes, antifascists did not win here
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Crazy that the original post said nothing about what antifascists do or don't do but people insist on projecting.
"Fascists aren't gaining power. Antifascists are making a comeback"
The first sentence is necessary (but not sufficient) for beating fascism; the second is a statement of momentum.
Antifascism has existed as long as fascism, well before any guns were fired or wars were fought. It encompasses many different approaches to opposing fascism and isn't even strictly a left-wing position (revolutionary vs counter revolutionary).
If you think the only viable playbook to beat fascism is revolutionary accelerationism, that's a logical stance to take. But it makes no sense to be upset when other people use the term differently.
Yeah remember when we all banded together and peacefully voted hitler and mussolini out?
If Hitler hadn't been in office, do you imagine nothing would be different? Like they'd pluck that rabble-rousing failed artist off the street when Hindenburg died?
If Hillary had won, The Idiot would just be some fuckin' guy. The same loudmouthed punchline he'd always been. The election was the only thing that gave him power - so not electing him would have stopped his atrocities.
When Biden was in, The Idiot was right back to being some fuckin' guy. He got arrested. He was being federally prosecuted. He was facing unpardonable state charges. The election was the only thing keeping his fat ass out of jail.
If Harris had won, The Idiot would still be some fuckin' guy. He couldn't disappear people to foreign countries, from his couch.
Elections matter. Elections work. Elections are step one. If you just don't put fascists in power, fascists tend not to have power. If you're dumb enough to do it anyway - we did in fact peacefully vote out The Idiot. Remember? Biden won. By the skin of his teeth, thanks to our batshit stupid electoral system. Despite every effort to prevent, lie about, and then ignore the results. American democracy was strong enough that this liberal-bashing jibe actually happened - once.
When Biden was in, The Idiot was right back to being some fuckin’ guy. He got arrested. He was being federally prosecuted. He was facing unpardonable state charges. The election was the only thing keeping his fat ass out of jail.
Jesus Christ, for as often as libs compare Trump to Hitler i'm actually shocked at how little they actually know about that similarity.
Strawman.
Imagine if Trump had actually been sent to prison and had time and opportunity to write his own Mein Kampf.
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Hitler never got directly voted in by an election. Please go read history again.
Germans voted the NSDAP into power. You're kinda splitting hairs here
I don't even know what point you're trying to make, Hitler essentially was the party, in the same way Trump essentially is the republican party now.
The problem is we already elected him and now he's going full fascist so everything you wrote was a waste of time.
'This is what happened, so it's the only thing that could possibly have happened!'
Labor's not pro-israel lol
They're entirely neutral
tbf, neutrality in the face atrocity is complicity
Neutrality towards Israeli is about as oppositional as any entity can be. The extremes tend to fall between 'support' and 'neutrality' no matter how many children or civilians die.
Only if you're consumed by propaganda.
What the fuck can australia legitimately do about the conflict? Nothing but strong words and not much else.
Well, they could stop sending weapons to israel, instead of just denying that they do.
https://acij.org.au/despite-government-claims-australia-still-exporting-lethal-arms-to-israel/
Likewise, the Australian government supplied fuel and bikes to Gaza; those very same bikes were used in the massacres that started the war. Are you going to hold the Australian government equally accountable for sending aid to Gaza, knowing that it will be Hamas who will use it?
Selling weapons to a military you are aware is in the long process of violently persecuting millions of people, in their country, with those weapons, is not the same as providing non-weapons to the persecuted, and having radicals fighting against the colonizing force appropriating them. This is a bad faith argument.
The weapons aren't sold yet, they're being trialled. Once the trial concludes its findings, then the purchase may go through.
They again, aren't using the weapons in Gaza, because they're being trialled. The Australian government also requested that the weapons are not to be used in Gaza.
Don't dismiss Hamas as just radicals. They are the governing force of Gaza. Before the war, all international aid moved through Hamas before it could reach the Palestinians. That means that the bikes and fuel, both of which were used in the massacres that caused this current conflict, were directly sent to Hamas.
Stop lying.
I never said they didn't take control, and they are radicals, I hear that descriptor attached to them all the time. Also, this specific unit was something I used to show that Australia has long term weapons sales desires with an apartheid state. When a government takes foreign aid, rather than distribute it, it is often said that they appropriated it, or stole it, or high-jacked it, whatever. Even beyond that, it wasn't actual weapons, literally anything can be used as a weapon, so we either say literally everything going to a place is a weapons sales/trade/donation, or we reserve that name for things built specifically to be weapons.
Also, do not gloss over how colonized people often end up having to rely on radical elements of their population to fight against the colonizers. Do not gloss over the maneuvers bibi, and the israeli government, performed to make sure hamas stays in power, because they use them as a PR shield, like their soldiers record themselves using palestinians as bullet shields. Israel is the colonizing force here, the terrorist guerrilla government of hamas is a result of reaction to this colonization.
This conversation is pointless. You aren't going to budge on anything, and I'm not going to take hearsay seriously. This is pretty off-topic as it is.
Bottom line is this:
Your initial claim that Australia is selling weapons to Israel was verifiably false.
Australia is not selling those weapon systems to Israel just yet; they are being trialled. No Australian weapon is used in Gaza. The Australian government has told the Israeli government not to use Australian weapons in Gaza.
Nothing else needs to be said on the matter