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[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Change "the world united to.." to "The US decided the world would..."

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

There is no way the "united" states makes it a thousand years (climate change allowing).

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

Even fiction has its limits

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

For me it is that book Cloudy with a chance of Meatballs. My kids favorite. The ending is natural disasters make the town unlivable so the population flees to a new home and are welcomed with open arms.

Yeah that is so fucking bullshit. You telling me that a nice wealthy population would allow foreigners facing death into their land? They would keep them at sea until they all starved and churches would call them rapefugges.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (5 children)

I hate that COVID makes the Star Trek utopia so much less likely. We're living in the mirror universe.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Turns out we were the borg all along

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I heard there is a Chinese flood narrative where when the people heard that the local god was pissed and going to make a flood they united and started building infrastructure. The result was the god failed to wipe them out.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

That's the same story as Noah but with rugged individualism.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

Rugged collectivism

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Not everyone would unite, but the big governments of the world would at least sit together to form a plan towards a common enemy.

Like how we formed the Allies during WW1.

Your local redneck probably won't, but that doesn't matter.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (4 children)

There are so many stories from WW2 about how Americans didn't unite.

Here's one of my favorites Patriots complained about air crews painting naked ladies on their planes. They were fine with kids getting drafted and sent overseas, but God Forbid they thought about S*X

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

thats a good point. I bet for an acute existential threat the major powers would nominally ally themselves against it, while still playing politics. So NATO, Russia, China, India, and whomever else would throw their hat in.
We see that if the threat has a long tail though (climate change) that nobody gives a shit.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago (3 children)

If we had a hostile alien invasion, thousands dead in the first wave, footage of the aliens, everything. half the GOP would still be saying it's a hoax, and making it into an anti Liberal/anti LGBTQ rant. Part of them would straight up worship the aliens, a bunch of them would drink bleach.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (6 children)

Covid proved to me any libertarian hope/dream I had wouldn't actually work because people would never get together to do the right thing as a group.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

https://www.amazon.com/Libertarian-Walks-Into-Bear-Liberate-ebook/dp/B083J1FXY8

Here's a plug for a book I've never read. I think you'll like it.

Edit: I bought it.

Review: People are scary. Bears like donuts. Sometimes it's hilarious when those facts combine. Other times, it's terrifying.

Therefore, due to my judging you entirely on one sentence, you will enjoy this book. (That is not an exclusive link. Get it anywhere. I bet your library has an app that can send it to your phone.)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

What does this even mean? What does COVID have to do with Libertarianism?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Every strong libertarian I know, and there are several in my family, is strictly anti-mask and anti-vax. It boils down to "you can't tell me what to do" and nothing else.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Right and that's my point. I use to agree with that sentiment because it was built on the premise that people would do what they want as long as it wasn't directly hurting others... Unfortunately we found that people thought their personal freedom meant more than protecting others.

Which is disheartening and eye opening.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

One thing I have noticed recently, and I suppose it was the Pandemic that did it for me, is that we are sort of culturally narcissist in the West as a whole. People are very worried about their liberties, but few people stop to consider their social responsibilities. Libertarianism really is the idea that nobody has a responsibility towards other people--it's a very selfish and narcissist way of thinking and requires you to be able to walk past someone who is suffering and who you could help with minimal effort/inconvenience, yet you mutter to yourself how it must suck to be them and continue on with your day.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

People getting together for the common good is just a government, the exact thing libertarians hate.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (3 children)

No not necessarily since government = force. The hope of libertarians is that they would do it out of a mutual interest in protecting others. The whole do what you want as long as it doesn't impact me. That argument was proven fucked by the actions of the pandemic. That's what I'm talking about.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Well it makes sense. Most people think they are lucky, and to one extent they are, the unlucky ones are all dead so survivor bias. Once they are aware of a problem they reason out they will be the lucky one. Additionally, the interests of an individual has little to do with the interests of the crowd. We really should start learning this concept and stop with the invisible hand nonsense. It could make perfect sense for someone in the energy sector to keep burning oil. It can make sense for a company to not bother with environmental cleanup. It can make sense for a restaurant owner to not want a lockdown.

The whole appeal to rational self-interest depends on a false premise. Biology has furnished an example. For the point of view of cancer it makes perfect sense to keep on multipling. The time horizon of each cancer cell is pretty short maybe a few months. If it doesn't spends those months multipling as fast as it can other will.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The whole appeal to rational self-interest depends on a false premise.

I mean, potentially. We also hate cancer cells because cancer cells kill people, you know, like, we are capable of higher reasoning. The reasoning that co-operating with somebody else is oftentimes of more benefit to us than not doing so. The reasoning that, you know, we fucking die, grappling with our own mortality, and making plans for after we're dead, based on reasoned principles that we can come to as an idea for what might be "good" for people, generally. We're capable of long term planning and decision making, all in our own self-interest. It doesn't make sense for someone in the energy sector to keep burning oil precisely because of the effects climate change in the long term, likewise with environmental cleanup, or keeping your restaurant open. It is not effective for society to do these things in the small or in the broad.

The people in the energy sector aren't burning oil because they're just assholes. There's a little bit of that, of like "fuck these guys because I just kind of hate them now", but it's mostly just because they're not convinced that climate change is real. They're convinced that some short term concern or other concern about "national security" trumps the threat of climate change. They're convinced that they're the best locus for power, in the field of energy (or maybe even generally for the egomaniacal), even if they're actively destroying the environment by holding onto their power. It's not because they're incapable of long-term reasoning, it's because their long-term reasoning is flawed and neglected.

I dunno, it works out to basically be the same as though they only had access to short term dogshit reasoning, in the actual environmental effects they have on the people around them, but I find it pertinent to know that they had access to long-term reasoning skills, and those skills were just co-opted, warped, and ignored. The long term reasoning was applied to rationalize their short term goal, their ideal shaped their reasoning, rather than the other way around. Not really to say that you can't just start out from a different position and come to a different end point, you know, just to say that. The memes are more complicated, even in their malignancies.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Worse, there have been two "libertarian cities" over the past few years that suffered an awful fate. First thousands of people moved to a town in NH and then voted themselves into all city positions. They shut off the government, had everything collapse, and returned to where they came from a few years later when it turned out that fire fighters are nice and bears roaming the town (cuz one person's hobby was to feed them donuts and they are libertarian so they can do that dontchano). In AZ, they built a community without any infrastructure specifically to avoid taxes and government control--they were buying water from another community until that community said they needed the water for themselves, leaving them with nothing.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I think Don't Look Up got it pretty right, a lot of people would be willing to band together, if not the majority of the world. But politicians and billionaires would ruin it for everyone even if it means everyone dies. When the time comes we can still band together, and take down the people we need to

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