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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That's the solution.

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INFO

A demonstrator's guide to understanding riot munitions

Adultification

Cops aren't supposed to be smart

Don't talk to the police.

Killings by law enforcement in Canada

Killings by law enforcement in the United Kingdom

Killings by law enforcement in the United States

Know your rights: Filming the police

Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)

Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.

Police lie under oath, a lot

Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak

Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street

Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States

So you wanna be a cop?

When the police knock on your door

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[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 0 points 4 weeks ago

I just saw my first one if these IRL today at a cafe where I ate lunch. It was only for ICE and not cops in general, but it made me feel good about spending my money there.

[–] Gladaed@feddit.org 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's a public space. The limitations on search warrants are very low for those.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It's not a public space, it's a publicly-accessible space. Limits on public access can be imposed by the property owners using trespass law. Violating posted signs is trespassing; cops that enter without a warrant or other special authority (beyond just being a cop, eg hot pursuit) are subject to criminal trespass.

[–] mmura10@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (4 children)

That's an open invitation to criminals. Good luck when the cops don't show up

[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

Trick question, cops are criminals

[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

The criminals are the ones being banned from the store

[–] Makhno@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

Cops don't prevent crime. They only respond to it and often commit other crimes in the process

[–] octopus_ink@slrpnk.net 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

They typically don't until it's all done anyhow. Then they shoot your dog.

[–] whiskeytango@lemm.ee 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

The goons in John Wick have more credibility than cops. I'd love a franchise where it's just John Wick gunning down these IRL goons and knock it off with this thin blue line propaganda horseshit

[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Tbf Keanu could probably merc a couple hundred cops on his own, those videos of him training before John Wick shoots (heh) are insane

Also your hypothetical movie needs more Jon Bernthal

[–] sxan@midwest.social 0 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Will that even work? With the new ruling allowing warrantless searches? Can I just put one of these up on my front door and LE will just go, "dang, this place looked like a great one to ransack and pillage, but with the sign... Dang."

[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

That's the fun part... You get/have to bring your own enforcibility

[–] BigDiction@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

Depends what you mean by “work”. Being a cop is not a protected class so yeah you can expel one from your private business for any reason or no reason at all.

But if they are investigating a crime, executing a warrant, or any other kind of official business then no this sign doesn’t do shit legally. This place looks like it serves alcohol and is open to the public so there’s no right to privacy from police when holding a liquor license.

[–] turtlesareneat@discuss.online 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This is what we know as "virtue signaling" but otherwise has no real meaning.

[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

Odds are there's a shotty under the counter

[–] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

oh I bet that made the wife beaters happy

[–] andybytes@programming.dev 0 points 1 week ago

What is scary about the times we live in is that you make an outwardly show of solidarity and then some fucking dumb cult member comes out with a gun and starts shooting people. It's kind of how fascists work. They are the abusers and the saviors.

[–] PumpkinEscobar@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Why am I picturing a hostess greeting people with: "Are you a cop? You have to tell me if you're a cop."

[–] andybytes@programming.dev 0 points 1 week ago

That's my type

[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

Hostess played by Jack Nicholson

[–] Kbobabob@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

I genuinely have no idea.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 month ago

"Show me your dick so I know you're not a cop"

...oh, you meant another kind of hostess? Carry on, then!

[–] Glitterbomb@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

They'd have my business forever

[–] borf@lemmynsfw.com 0 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Adore the sentiment but publicly calling out a violent gang at your place of business like this is almost suicidally ballsy

[–] andybytes@programming.dev 0 points 1 week ago

Well, you know, they say you gotta take risk and shit. That would be the one reason why I'd fucking eat there, because I don't go out and eat anymore. These fucking piglets need to know that we don't like them, and they're not welcome. They need to be ostracized and fucking shamed and realize that they're not needed in our society. I don't call the fucking cops.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 month ago

Are you old enough to remember when librarians posted signs that their records had not YET been investigated by (I want to say) HLS?

[–] GrumpyDuckling@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Just hand out leftover food after closing and you'll have a hundred people who also hate cops watching over your place.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

And also do that regardless. Throwing out perfectly good food when people are starving is an especially cruel form of waste.

[–] andybytes@programming.dev 0 points 1 week ago

Tucson got Hooverville's.

[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Urban Outfitters makes their starvation wage employees cut up discontinued products so homeless people can't rummage in the dumpster and wear them

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 month ago

It's people like whomever came up with that that make me wish I believed in hell 🤬

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 month ago

The option is no better .... allowing entitled power mad idiots with guns into your space that if you piss off or upset will threaten you or even start arresting people just because they can.

[–] Tower@lemm.ee 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I could see cops organizing something where they entice a tweaker to rob the place while they stand right outside going "darn, if only we could do something... 😂!"

I mean, they would have exigent circumstances, so if they sat around watching a store get robbed, and did nothing about it, that would still be their fault. They wouldn't have to stop the perp from doing whatever in the store, but if they just let him go, that would be aiding and abetting.

[–] Cenzorrll@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Still probably better than them getting involved.

[–] LilDumpy@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

For real, what would they do otherwise? Show up super late to the crime scene? Launch and "investigation" that takes months?? Let the investigation fizzle out and result no true resolution or justice??? Let the insurance do the real work????

[–] fyzzlefry@retrolemmy.com 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Give you a URL to fill out a report online and then hang up.

[–] radix@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

No shirt, no shoes, badge and gun, no service.