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The 4 best Reddit alternatives: Top picks to replace your subreddits - Lemmy is listed first! (www.androidpolice.com)
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[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

I had been on reddit since 2008, I was looking for an alternative to the message boards I belonged to after the popularity of Facebook killed them off. I really enjoyed it, not the same level of community that you find in a message board but still good for conversation.

Then trump happened and it turned to shit. It's so fucking toxic and I ended up getting banned for defending myself. Apparently fascism is good and standing up for yourself goes against community standards.

I'm a disabled 49 year old just looking for conversation. Facebook is also a toxic wasteland now. To say I miss myspace is an understatement but there's hardly anyone there anymore.

I'm happy whenever I find a place that's put the social back into social media because antisocial media is just trash.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Key strengths of Lemmy

  1. Federation
  2. Tankies
  3. Star Trek memes
  4. Star Trek memes community civil war
[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Why are tankies a key strength? Or do you mean purely for entertainment value?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Wait the trekies are fighting? i'll light a candle

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Risa had some mod issues, Tenforward was created. The people who actually post have basically all moved to Tenforward, it's not really a war.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Computer, can you expand on the last point please

[–] [email protected] -4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

A prominent /c/Risa shitposter accused the mods of transphobia, loudly quit Risa and started their own meme community (and later deleted the comments after any evidence of transphobia failed to materialize).

Around the same time, a Risa mod removed some particularly low-effort posts despite Risa having "no rules", which upset some users and so they fled to the other guys' meme community.

Now there are two Star Trek themed meme communities.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

just blocked the only risa mod there is

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

A prominent /c/Risa shitposter

This isn't reddit, you can name names.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Stamets. He actually banned me from the new place after posting a dumb meme he just didn't like (said I was "ban evading"). Did not know about him crying transphobia but it doesn't surprise me, the person has a serious temper issue.

EDIT I forgot he also retroactively removed two AI shitposts posts I made after writing a rule about it (yet didnt remove his own)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Thought so. I have had my own run in with him.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

In light of the current drama, could you maybe elaborate on your run in, and repeat what the deleted reply by stamets was?

[–] [email protected] -4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

THE prominent shitposter

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

???

Are you worried about being banned if you name him?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Discord for large communities is dumb as shit. There's literally too many people that real communication becomes impossible unless you move to DMs or an empty room.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Yeah, I hate discord for many reasons but the primary reason is that I just think it is a terrible place to have a conversation. All the channels I see are always dominated by really low quality effort interaction, interesting conversations just get drowned out and lost by someone sharing another meme or responding to someone else's low effort meme.

As someone with pretty intense ADHD, Discord is just so fragmented with so many channels each with their own conversations all fracturing out in different directions with no capacity to keep a handle on it. I hate it.

Fuck Discord

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

so. much. this.

Discord is just an AOL chat room. Great for short-term conversations among 20 or fewer people. It's not a good place to store your FAQ. It's not a good place for large teams. It's not a good place for anything searchable. It's transactional. And I don't know why people treat it otherwise.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I gotta look into this Lemmy thing. Sounds right up my alley.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Who?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Lemmy, the singer of Motörhead that died 2015?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

No, Lemmy Koopa.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

False, god can't die

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

I'm so glad I finally got into Lemmy. Reddit was destroyed on July 1st but I couldn't get into Lemmy until November because the instances were so fickle.

In the meantime I tried saidit but quickly discerned that most of the users there were just really bad Reddit rejects. like the worst of the worst Reddit rejects.

Glad Lemmy finally let me in.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

As for funding, the servers are supported on a donation basis, with no big corporations behind them. This leads to a problem concerning user data and privacy, as there isn't a single accountable entity behind the network.

Bit of a weird take now, isn't it?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (3 children)

It's actually not wrong if you look at it in another way.

  • Big tech will abuse your data, but it will do within legal constraints, and there is actuall (though weak) accountability of these companies due to the legal system.
  • On federated services like Lemmy, instances are hosted by anonymous individuals. Most social media laws don't apply to them, and their legal accountability is basically zero.
  • Lemmy, for example, does not comply with GDPR. There is no legal notice, no privacy contact person, no banner asking whether you are ok with the fact that your data is sent to unknown servers in random nations, no nothing. Private messages aren't even encrypted, so any admin can read them without issues.
  • There is no way to actually delete your data, as the GDPR requires. Deleted posts are only marked as deleted and you can see their plain text content by just pressing the "reply" button in any of the apps. There isn't any kind of guarantee, that your post will be deleted on other instances. If federation has problems, the post will remain on other instances and is now permanently undeletable by the user.
  • There are no moderation standards. Some instances will delete nazi content, some basically require nazi content. And some instance admin might even edit your posts to say something completely different. It's all possible and in the hands of random people on the internet.
  • Hobbyist-run services are much worse when it comes to availability and reliability. If something happens while the admin is on holiday, nothing will get fixed. If the admin runs out of money, doesn't care anymore or even dies, the instance with all it's content and users is just gone.

So there are very real risks attached to a hobbyist-run service with no legal accountability and no transparency at all.

We all know the downsides of Big Tech though, so it's everyone's personal choice to figure out which disadvantages hurt them personally more.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

That's a bit misleading to say like that. Go to the website, scroll to the footer and click on "Legal". Your instance, feddit.de, has a legal notice, with a privacy contact person, mentioning you can request data erasure, and detailing where your data goes. Mine, lemmy.world, has a number of in depth legal documents attached there.

However, yes, other instances they are federated with might not take it as seriously though, and if all your data is going there too, then that's a hole in your data privacy.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

But if I request it there, after its federated everywhere, what happens?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

@squaresinger @LinkOpensChest_wav yes and don't let people fall for quasi legal privacy policies that lemmy.world & ilk provide #Lemmyworld #accountability #fediverserated

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

That happens if you don't have an actual legal team... I am sure they are doing their best, but if you don't have a lawyer, you can't do legal texts.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Very much this. Plus, how easy will instance admin Joe Schmoe fold under external pressure to give access to certain groups, government bodies etc? And how well have Joe Schmoe implemented good security practices on the server and related things? Etc.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I think both things are valid points, but it's worded in a weird way

A more explicit pro/con would have been better

No big corporation that controls everything

  • Pro:
  • Con:
[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

This is a good point. Had it been presented like this, it would have hit different.