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This is one of the most clever names I've seen for an emulator.
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Reminds me of sosumi, a Linux util for one-click MacOS virtual machines. Sosumi also happens to be the name of the alert/error sound in early MacOS.
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SueYou is an awesome name for N**tendo emulator
They are still running afowl of the anti circumvention rules in the dmca. Just saying you have to provide your own keys isn't enough.
A switch emulator that wants to be safe from nintendo has to have no capability of circumventing the copyright protection mechanisms nintendo employs.
Look at vlc for inspiration. It can play blurays, it can't circumvent the copyright protection of blurays. But if you provide the keys and the library that decodes the content then it can play them just fine. This keeps vlc safe.
This appears incorrect. Multiple emulators have ways to circumvent the copyright protection mechanism. None of them are being hit. Dolphin legit has the keys in their package. It's why Steam didn't platform them, but Nintendo knows and Dolphin is not changing. It would be literally the cost of the letter to get Dolphin to change. Nintendo hasn't even sent that letter.
What Yuzu did wrong was outside of "anti circumvention rules" that you seem afraid of.
Sorry but it's not wrong. The anti circumvention clause in the drmc was the direct complaint from nintendo against yuzu. Please research that clause and the legal prior art, especially against decss. I've had this conversation too many times to repeat it again.
"I've done it too many times to repeat it again" Really?
Isn't that kind of beneath you? That's the type of shit someone would say on a playground.
Besides which the full complaint doesn't appear to be available anywhere, but what has been shown has not said what you're claiming.
However other people might have more knowledge about this situation than you seem to, besides which other pieces that have been revealed since the original complaint have shown it's not just about the ability to circumvention technology. So you know.. maybe read more, or stop acting like you have all the answers when you don't?
On the other hand consider if it was exactly what you say it is, why isn't Cemu and Ryujinx getting their own version of the note... hint: it's not just about the circumvention...
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That's assuming the Suyu team is based on the USA, where the DMCA can screw them over. As they're hosting their code on GitLab istead of GitHub, it may hint they got this covered.
It's worth noting that many countries around the world have their own versions of the anti circumvention clause of the dmca.
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ok but how does the bluray library stay safe? its still a similar problem. for piracy sites, a lot of them seem to deal with it by just having it be hosted in a country that doesnt care enough to shut them down.
Like you already pointed out there are ways for the library to stay safe, the important point is being disconnected from the emulator.
One thing is for sure: no other fork will have a name this good.
I'd go with Yuza, the Korean version of the Yuzu fruit. Could be verbalized as "yowza."
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Wezu
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UZOO
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UZwitch
I just hope the one for the next system is called tuzu lol
TL;DR:
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They will avoid monetization
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They will avoid providing step-by-step guides to play games on the emulator (I assume they mean extracting games from the console using hacked tools)
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They will avoid providing keys or circumvent DRM, you'll have to get everything from your Switch
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The devs are upset at how much attention they're getting which is kind of ironic considering the article.
"We wanted to fly under the radar at the start [...] It's already much more widespread than ideal for the current stage of development."
Which is how emulation worked the last 20 years. It flew under the radar because they weren't doing anything explicitly illegal, while also avoiding getting paid or having anything point at you.
Yuzu flew too close to the sun. I'm sorry, but they did. They very brazenly operated like they were challenging Nintendo. They werent just emulating games from last Gen but modern Gen games that just came out. Like it or not, that is taking money from Nintendo and it was obvious they were going to get the hammer.
For me I'm mad at them. Mad because their cavalier attitude made all emulation look the same as piracy, which it isn't. There's a clear dividing line and Yuzu came very close to labeling all emulation as piracy.
Emulator devs deserve compensation, copyright laws are bullshit.
Nintendo lost some negligible (to them) amount of money, and in return ruined some peoples lives, and disappointed their fans.
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I got freaking crucified for this sentiment the day the news dropped.
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So how long until Nintendo tries to claim copyright to the code that was previously open source and threaten to sue the Suyu team just to scare them into settling?
They'd face a mountain of opposition from the open source community at large.
Yuzu was licensed under the GPL. Even if Nintendo are the new owners of the Yuzu code, they cannot retroactively close-source the previously open code, per the license.
If they tried that and it looked like they could set a precedent, it could spell serious trouble for other GPL projects like the Linux kernel. And they've got some serious financial backing.
I mean, many thought the same of Yuzu.
In reality, Nintendo doesn't want to go to court. They didn't want to go to court vs Yuzu. They just wanted a settlement so they can 100% control the narrative. That's traditional Japanese corporation 101. Yuzu's case was never actually about piracy, copyright infringement, or anything else.
I would not be shocked to see Nintendo either attempt to un-GPL the code, claim some sort of copyright over forks, or even to maliciously inject new code in an attempt to gain access to user IP addresses and just send out letters to every Yuzu user. Nintendo really is that petty, look at what they did to Gary Bowser. They will 100% go after other emulators like this now that they know the developers will just give up in a week.
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It's illegal for them to un GPL it, though. They could try, but they would fail. The only precedent it would set is to encourage people to not waste their time.
Roe v Wade was overturned.
Legally speaking, nothing is impossible if one party is motivated enough, and other parties are too apathetic to do anything about it. And by other parties, I mean the public at large. The Linux and EFF communities are small by comparison.
Exactly. And even if it did go to court, it wouldn't be hard to get EFF and the Linux Foundation to help Suyu.
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This is the best summary I could come up with:
"Suyu currently exists in a legal gray area we are trying to work our way out of," contributor and Discord moderator Sharpie told Ars in a recent interview.
The Suyu project arose out of "a passion for Switch emulation" and a desire not to see "years of impressive work by the Yuzu team go to waste," Sharpie said.
But that passion is being tempered by a cautious approach designed to avoid the legal fate that befell the project's predecessor.
The Suyu devs have also been warned against "providing step-by-step guides" like the ones that Yuzu offered for how to play copyrighted games on their emulator.
Those guides were a major focus of Nintendo's lawsuit, as were some examples of developer conversations in the Yuzu Discord that seemed to acknowledge and condone piracy.
Suyu, by contrast, is taking an extremely hard line against even the hint of any discussion of potential piracy on its platforms.
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the Suyu development team has decided to avoid "any monetization,"
Should of always been like that
Anyone trying to make money on a licensed IP they don’t own is in hot water.
Ehhh.. it's ok if there's money involved but they definitely pushed it too far. However even if there was no money involved Yuzu made actions that shut them down.
Smart if you can self fund, but at the end of the day there's a lot of costs that people ignore when it comes to emulation or things in the space. Working with a group called Retroachievements.org (small plug) and they accept donations for server costs but that's it. Signed up for 1 dollar on Patreon and wanted to give them 10. They refused, which is a good sign.
Switch emulation would be 1/10th of where it is now without it.
Either emulation is legal and you're therefore okay with devs getting payment for tgeir labor or it's illegal and they need to keep as low a profile as they can
I hate people who try to be on both sides
I agree but pay walling features is just asking for trouble, I should of specified what I meant with pateron.
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The monetisation part wasn't what fucked them over, it was merely what made their more illicit activities worse.
The Yuzu team were using leaks to tweak their code, namely the ToTK leak.
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